I found Vibrant Nation while googling ‘women over fifty going back to school’ and was blown away to discover how many of you on this site had done so!! Awesome!
I’ve been considering a career change for quite some time now and am very intrigued by how people go about making this decision and what they finally decide. So my question now for those who have or who are planning to career shift:
1. What have you been doing up to now?
2. What do you hope to do next?
3. How are you going about making the change? OR How did you go about making the change?
It would be lovely to hear from you all!
Liane
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From my experiences online, I would say the chances of anyone you meet being compatible for a long term, committed relationship (what most women would like, I believe)....about 5 percent, truly. I have 'dated' several men over the past three years, 
Hi Liane: I spent the first 25 years of my career in Administrative Management. Had a bachelors in Business. My departments always ran well and it became no challenge anymore. So in trying to figure out why I was bored I realized that I had actually developed the people in my department to a level of working independently and they could carry on without me. I was good with people. So I went back to school and took a couple classes in psychology and like it. Got my Masters in counseling psychology while I continued to work and then went into counseling. I retired from that and now I’m teaching classes on parenting and doing private practice. I love it and am so glad I got out of the corporate “rat race”. Follow your dreams, and your heart.
Oh, that is SOO encouraging to hear! I read your bio too and related well to what you said. I am not actively ‘unhappy’ in my job and it is relatively well paid, for which I am extremely thankful given the tough economic times we are in, but like you, I have interests and talents which I have not had the opportunity to really use in my working life. Which is really why *I* am interested in career change.
Thanks for your reply!
Recommendation….an excellent book I read a few years ago, Harriet Rubin’s Soloing. Very good practical advice.
Hi Dr. She: Nice to see you back in the conversations. -dyna
Thanks. I missed you!
Career shifting all my life!! First worked as a counselor in the chemical dependency field. Took it as far as I wanted to at the time, so switched gears and went into environmental science. I taught, managed labs, developed curriculum, created new programs and/or helped develop exisiting ones for grant-related projects. Taught some more, managed more projects. I have a Masters & plan to begin working on a second one this fall. My goal is to teach at the college or community college level as I ease into my last 10-15 years of work. Used to think there would be a retirement date, but I do not really want to just STOP being productive…I just want to have more flexibility & teach subjects I love!!
Hi Liane, Spent 20+ years in telecom/middle mgmt, after the dot.com crash became a habitual volunteer and went back to school, earning a bachelor’s in social work in 2008. I am now in grad school also for social work and work with the aging population at a non-profit agency. I would like to do social work related to hospice and hope to go overseas to the UK in the next few years to do research on the health system there, and specifically Trinity Hospice. My husband and I own a small audio recording and production company as well, started out to give him a creative outlet – he’s in public broadcasting and we both write and produce a variety of media. Ultimately? I would love to publish and do public speaking. We’ll see where I end up next!
I think I will always be someone who wants to learn and grow and I am always in perpetual motion. When something didn’t seem to work out or I was looking out for more, I made changes and went in the path of least resistance. It is nice when you can choose the direction you’re moving in.
Hi Liane,
Being laid off last year was the pivotal point for me. I had been in corporate America for 22 years as an administrative assistant. I was ready to make a change, and like you not quite sure what direction to go in or how to go about it. Through Linkedin I become connected to a fabulous life coach, Gwen Orwiler, that focuses on boomer women and helping them to find the magic that lives inside of them. I’ve never been happier as a virtual assistant, marketing advisor and event coordinator. My life has become so beautiful now that it is almost difficult to remember what it was like before I began this wonderful adventure. You might also consider a little book and CD by Marcus Buckingham, “The Truth About You, Your Secret To Success”. To see a bit of his concept, go to YouTube and type in his name, there are several videos that will give you some insight. Best Wishes, and get ready for the ride of your life!!
Will you please share the sites where you acquired such jobs? I’ve been looking for over a year and have only found virtual assistant jobs that pay $1.25/hour. Thanks!
I agree with Melodee completely, in fact at the beginning of my business development I bought one of her Vanessa Andruz books:) I am a business woman with a client base, for example my first client last year was with the local PBS station and one of my current client’s is a blossoming sculpture, my business focus now is to partner with inspired entrepreneurs and solopreneurs.
I am a business partner and adviser and while I have learned some vital information since becoming an entrepreneur nearly a year ago, I have over 20 years of administrative experience in a variety of businesses that I’ve applied to my business development.
I am also a member of IAAP (International Association of Administrative Assistants, locally) and have a complete home office with all of the same equipment that I had when I was an employee. I hope this helps, if you need any information. please feel free to let me know.
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54 years old and completing my third year of medical school here! I am very glad at this point that I made the choice to fulfill a life-long dream. However, I think I was a bit caught up in the excitement and romance of it all and naive about just how much I was sacrificing. I my case I left a successful career, colleagues, friends, a home and garden, pets, time with my family, etc. I pared down my possessions to the most meaningful (at wonderful exercise for anyone!), but those meaningful possessions have been in storage for the past three years. I have no regrets, but just make sure that you are committed enough to the change to make the sacrifices worth it.
You keep going, Lorelai… even though it’s hard, you’re on the right track – I’d want someone like you for a doctor any day – someone who knows the route around life’s block! My mom always used to say “You’re going to be 40 (or 50, 60, 70) anyway, so wouldn’t you rather be that age and be doing what you want? She herself went back to college in her mid 30′s and continued till she got her Masters’ Degree, and changed her life. You have the passion, you should do it! Wishing you luck and peace…
Way to go loelai1956! What an inspriation you are.
Lorelai,
Wow, and so excited for you. God never granted me with the brain that remembers chemistry, biology, anatomy, etc. that would help me get into medical school or have one of the careers needing them. I do have college degree and needed many of these however.
I’m sure the big sacrifices you are making will pay offf in large $ but also the opportunity to help those who need what you are trained in. Amazing story!
Lorelai, that is just amazing! I really admire you. Years ago, as a young RN, I considered changing to medicine but I failed the maths courses needed to gain entry to the programme so abandoned the idea. I work now in a university-linked training hospital and I see the long hours the new doctors put in, the mental agility and focus they need, the multi-tasking, the decision-making, the heavy responsibilities … and I know that I personally could not do that right now (I’m 52). So good for you, girl!
I’d love to know what you did before you made this change? Do you have family responsibilities? Do you work part time? How do you balance it all?:-)
Thanks,
Liane.
I love it. I just told my oldest son I was selling my yoga retreat business now while I am not too burned out of it. He didn’t handle it well i.e. what was I going to do to get to retirement.
I recently built 1100 square foot open concept house and love it. Who knows what I will do but all I know is a change is as good as a rest. Good for you!
By the way, I just turned 54!
I have worked in IT for a long time as a system administrator. It has been a good productive career that has been well paid. But how many poorly written apps can you troubleshoot or how much data can you watch on the wire without becoming very very bored. Many people with my job would just ride out to retirement and I might but in the meantime I am training to be an alternative health practitioner and that will take some time. I hope to start easing into the after training – practicing phase in just a few years. I grew up in a health food store and have always studied this field and it will allow me to have things in my career that I don’t get now….ability to control my own schedule, personal satisfaction that you don’t get with computers, and easy transition into part time work when and if I choose that. It will be a lot easier work in some ways and a lot harder in others.
Hello, Liane: For more than thirty years I was a radio personality, mostly a morning show host. At the age of 52, I decided that I couldn’t talk about Lindsay Lohan one more day; I left broadcasting to research and write a book about preplanning for the big bye-bye (it’s called “Good to Go”). This meant I had to reinvent myself as not only an author; but a speaker, promoter, marketer, business owner, and publisher while beefing up my computer skills. Two years into the new gig, I obtained an agent who found a publisher for my book and it was released earlier this month. So, I’m now into a new career phase altogether! Hard work? Bunches. Making a ton of money? Not yet. Passion for the subject and a supportive husband keep me going. We sold our home and explored house-sitting and family communal living. At this time, we’re in the process of moving across the country to be closer to our children who are grown. This lifestyle upheaval has been exhilarating and rewarding, if not easy. The question I’ve always asked myself when I go through life: “When I’m on my deathbed, will this matter?” has kept me focused on what is important. You can do this. Good luck!
I would recommend seriously considering self-employment because it allows you to be a life-long learner, continuously “go back to school” by doing workshops, seminars and other short term classes. When you are bored or just feel that you want to use more of your talents or interests, you can tweak your business to fit those needs. This is much more practical and fulfilling than spending a couple of years in school, competing with 25 year olds to land a job when you finish. And, you can change it to always keep it stimulating. You don’t need a business degree or even a lot of capital or formal business plan to be your own boss and love what you do every day. There really is a way to make a living out of almost any interest or hobby. A great place to start is by mingling with other “joyfully jobless people”. I am planning to be at the Joyfully Jobless Jamboree in Austin, Oct 15-16. I can’t think of a better way to begin to explore the joy of self employment. (oh, and by the way, this will ABSOLUTELY NOT be a pitch-fest. It is a celebration of self employment, honoring author Barbara Winter of “Making a Living without a Job” . Check out her book and the event for stimulating ideas.
Terri, I agree 100%. The best thing in the world about being self employed is you get to learn when you feel the want or need, rather then at the behest of an employer who feels that you know enough to do your job. I celebrate my freedom daily to be the best boss that I have ever worked for. Along with my current business, I am a blossoming author and who knows what is next, I love the challenge and the adventure of never knowing what the day will bring. I hope you have a wonderful time at the Joyfully Jobless Jamboree, it sounds like great fun.
I didn’t really have a career while raising my family. I did some day care and waitress along the way and tried to get into home based direct sales in several different companies. But as soon as my daughter was in high school, I started selling on Half.com, eBay and Amazon. First, things around our house, and then retail items (mostly clothes) I purchased on sale (I love to get a deal) and sold for a profit. Being online a lot opened me up to a whole new world and I have been studying marketing and other online avenues of making money. I tell all of our friends over fifty to WRITE about what they know and what they’ve experienced. This can be a side venture or a full time job, but if you like to write, it is a no-brainer. There are so many ways to make money from information online.
Hey REDHEAD57, You captured my attention as a good writer will do. How about sharing the sites where other writers might find employment and/or income! Thanks!
Try Dan Case’s “Writing for Dollars” and subscribe to his newsletter.
Happy writing.
I particularly like Dr. Mani, who is a heart surgeon and Internet infopreneur using his information business to fund heart surgery for under-privileged children. He wrote a book called “Think, Write and Retire”–very helpful and informative. I recommend to anyone to get a domain in your name and start a WordPress blog. You can start writing about anything you want, but you will find yourself going in the direction of your dreams and passions before long. In the meantime, you will have invested your time in some online “real-estate” that, like most property, will gain value as it matures. Hey, that’s what we are all doing…gaining value as we mature:) Sorry to divert, but I had to say that because I think it is SO TRUE and often times we don’t believe it ourselves. Okay, back on course…and you will be branding yourself. As I read these posts, I see so many of us have had careers and have not only learned but EXPERIENCED so much in our lives that other folks, especially the younger generations, NEED and want to know. We just need to get that information out. Now honestly, this is a challenge for me. I have my husband and I started on 3 different blogs each. I think we need to focus on just one to start! But I am passionate about the possibilities and see this a great way to go for we “50-plusers”.
Hi Liane. Thought you might also be interested in these tips and related conversations:
Was stuck for decades, floated from a few jobs here and there short time. Recently speaking to someone I heard myself say that I wanted other women to not depend on others financial support, like self here, turn their passions into $ and dream bigger. As time went on I evolved with a few coaches. Right now pursuing a website I built for the women 50 and above, living healthy lifestyle, having fun and banding together as movement for other women celebrating second by second aging. The flip side of me is a dog lover so planning on getting that up and running as site as advocate for dog care and telling my dog’s lupus recovery story which is recent. Both sites to have products that create the income. Right now you can look up my name and find website for people. I’m opened to learning, growing and changing regardless of my birthday yesterday! Whew…can’t believe the #, but feeling super young still.
carol
Happy belated birthday!
Hey Liane!
I’m all for self-employment, but how does everyone handle the health insurance concerns especially for those of us over 50 who have experienced some health challenges?
Hi, one of the easiest ways to handle all those expenses is to choose a home based business that gives you residual income every single month. You decide how much you need to have coming in dollar wise and then put the effort and time in knowing that every single month you can have $300 to $3000 or more above what you work for. It is a simple efficient way of covering any and all expenses. Margaret C
Margaret,
Will you please recommend a home-based business? Please email it to me at:
inga8888@hotmail.com. Thanks! inga
Hey Inga: I did want to mention this to you and others here considering home-based businesses: Be very careful of scams. There are tons of them out there right now, taking advantage of people who are unemployed or who need additional income. You should be cautious about signing up with these Internet operators that say, for an upfront payment, they will send you their start-you-own business plan. They take your money and send you nothing or something so worthless, it’s no help. Here is a tip sheet from the FTC: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/microsites/phonefraud/workathome.shtml
Hi Moongirl10, absolutely you have to be very careful. As in anything, whether a home based business or even an investment you do need to do your due diligence. Never put money upfront in any situation without having done your homework. Thanks for your input. Margaret
I would be interested in knowing more about your home based business also. Please email me info: amillerrn59@aol.com
I’m going to chime in on this one. I’ve been working at a home-based business for three years – an online jewelry store. I’ve invested my heart and soul and A LOT of money. To date, if I get 2 $30.00 sales a month, I’m ecstatic. Maybe it’s jewelry and the recession and/or maybe I’m doing it all wrong. I have a brilliant young woman who just earned her MBA working with me on social media marketing (her specialty) and, so far, nada. All of this comes off of years selling on ebay and on etsy, with some success although never any where near $3,000 a month particularly when I accurately accounted for expenses (cost of items, shipping materials, postage, gas, and precious time).
Business is business. It requires a great deal of work no matter what the format. I agree with Moongirl to watch out for the scams – they are plentiful.
Hi J.Anne, thanks for your information and sharing honestly. If you are serious about having a home based business perhaps you need a turnkey system where you do not have to for all those things you mentioned. Let me know if you are open to investigating other avenues. All the best with your decision. Margaret.
Hi J.Anne, thanks for your information and sharing honestly. If you are serious about having a home based business perhaps you need a turnkey system where you do not have to for all those things you mentioned. Let me know if you are open to investigating other avenues. All the best with your decision. Margaret.
J Anne -
You probably are not doing a thing wrong. I’ve been selling online since 2002.
There have been good and bad times, but never as bad as this.
I sell craft supplies and handmade jewelry (which I made into to separate stores, although they used to be all in one). Over the last couple of years, I’ve had to give up my own websites in favor of an aggregated site to save money. I closed my eBay store long ago, while still under the Whitman thumbnail. Her changes started the ball in motion on the lack of sales. When stores were included in searches, we were taking bags of mail to the post office daily. I was hopping to keep up. Then stores were removed from search results again, and business totally tanked. I’d had friends from across the country search for specific items I had in my stores, and they never showed up at all. I finally cut that place loose. Between the store rent and sales fees, I was losing money on every sale made there. I closed the store and moved on. I tried several other listing sites, but only found one that actually resulted in any sales!
I was doing pretty well (read paying the business costs/keeping head above the water, not really making a profit) until a year ago. Then for whatever reason – the economy, etc etc, I am lucky to get $20 a month in sales.
I decided to go ahead last year and just give it up, and file for disability. While I had sold online as a side business for may years, it became my ONLY job/income in 2007. The whole reason I was putting so much time into it was that I could no longer work outside the home after a torn ACL in my knee. (Long story there, but heaven help you if you get hurt and have no insurance. I never got treatment because our area had only a private hospital and my knee was not considered “life threatening” and therefore I was turned away and sent home with no care.) Anyway, I decided to just sell off my current inventory at cost or below and go ahead and file for disability while I figured out what to do next.
When I tried to file for disability after working my entire life. Guess what?
Disability has an expiration date. Now, not sure how active workers are supposed to know that. I surely didn’t. I had plenty of work credits, but not enough in the certain time frame they wanted, which was the most recent five years!! OMG – my last resort was now gone. After working and paying into the system for over 25 years, I am now being turned down when I need it the most. Yes, I could have filed right after I got injured. However, when you are hurting and miserable, it really doesn’t occur to you. At least, it didn’t to me! I had no one to help me on that, and spent most of my time trying to find a way to get around. (I was on crutches for months, and was left with a permanent limp and need to use a cane to get anywhere still.)
I had a friend advise me that a home-based business counted towards your work life for disability, which is another reason I had not pursued it earlier. I was doing my best to make a go of selling from home. Well, turns out that it is not true. Home based businesses under a certain income level do NOT count as work for a disability claim. They considered me the same as unemployed, despite everything being clearly claimed and properly filed on my income taxes. (My business is registered with the state, and I have to pay all the associated taxes, etc including state taxes here.)
While my post is not really about a career change, I hope it serves as a heads-up for anyone selling from home via eBay and other such sites. Your annual income from the business WILL matter should you choose to file for disability or other purposes. While you pay taxes like a big business, for federal purposes, you aren’t really working unless you have a certain profit level, which I had not reached in the last few years.
Just a heads-up from someone about to turn 52, and dealing with the disability burn. I’d still work from home if I could find something (not phone call related – I hate talking on the phone!) I could do via computer/online. I have the skills, I just don’t have the ability to get out of the house anymore.
Good luck to all who are working on career changes. It is tough to do these days. At least the job changes do not catty the stigma that they used to, but in this economy, jobs are often very hard to come by. My husband has been unemployed for over a year now. He is back in school, training for a new career, but it is not NOT an easy thing to do. There are no job guarantees in that field either, but getting in school and working on new certifications and/or degrees beats sitting at home, waiting on an opening to happen!
I’ve learned over the years that I have the kind of personality that is better suited to entrepreneurship than working for someone else. As a result of finally owning that truth, when I switched careers, I chose to start my own businesses from home. I love being home with the cats, seeing the beautiful green trees outside my office winidow and I wouldn’t trade it for anything. What I did was research my best values, skills and interests and built 5 businesses around them. They’re all online businesses, no store front, but I have never been happier in my life. I would encourage women who would love to work from home, rather than working for someone else to consider this option. It works for me and I love it!
I am right there with you, same story, same feelings. Right now I have one business, but I am writing a book, love doing that and thinking of other businesses that I may want to start…I love sharing my office with my two cats and having all the things that make me happy around me….and I love that I am the best boss that I have ever had!! Kudos to you, keep going!
I think we are all funny souls…we love our home based businesses so we can be with our pets…is there anything better!
Hey Liane: I admire you for wanting to challenge yourself and make a change. And I see a lot of inspirational women have responded to your post here. After a liftetime in the same profession (and 32 years with the same company!), I, too, starting thinking about making a change last year, when I turned 53. I also always have wanted to finish my half-completed masters degree.
While I don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade, I think there are a lot of important things one needs to consider before making that leap — things that get lost in all the “boomers will reinvent themselves” rhetoric we hear. I don’t know enough about you to know if any of the below would apply to you. But you should look at these factors in the cold, hard light of reality:
Are you your only income, or your household’s primary income? If you are, what will happen to you or your family if after all your hard work and investment in your new future, you can’t find a job? Or can only find one that pays less?
Can you finanically afford school or retraining? When I started checking it out, I found finishing my masters would be very expensive. I have worked hard to pare my debt down to nothing more than my very small mortgage, period. Did I want to raid my 401(k) or take on a large loan at this point in my life? And what might it get me in the end, other than the satisfaction of finishing the degree? I did read somewhere that in many ways, it makes more sense financially to draw on the skills you already have, just using them in a different way, if you want to career shift in midlife.
What will you do for health insurance? Again, so much more expensive today than I ever could have imagined. And I have a serious pre-exisiting condition that would drive my premiums up even more, if I could even get coverage.My husband does have coverage at his workplace, so it made me a little less nervous. But he has very little seniority at his job.
Will anyone hire you? Sorry, but this, like I said, is a reality check. It’s a bad job market for everyone right now. And like it or not, discrimination against older workers is alive and well. Of course, it gives you a leg up to make your career leap into a profession in demand. But you might have to relocate to get a job. Could you do that? Could you afford to take a contract or part-time job? Could you afford to work in your new profession as a volunteer? Only you know the answers to those questions.
Some general things I have observed over the past year: Almost no one makes a fulltime living writing for a website. Starting your own small business takes money and loans are hard to come by. Ditto teaching (which always was my dream): Fulltime jobs are hard to come by (they are laying off experienced teachers in our school district).And if you dig yourself into a financial hole in mid-life, it’s really hard to dig yourself out.
Ultimately, given my household and financial situation, I decided I had best stay where I am and hold on to this job as long as I can. Fortunately, I happen to like what I do a lot. But in another place and time, I would have not minded trying something else.
Having said ALL of this: I support and admire any woman who wants to follow her dream, and will cheer her on. I just suggest you follow it with your eyes wide open.
All VERY good points, Moongirl. These are all things that definitely factor in to my own decision-making process. I’d say mostly the financial decisions (can I afford to study further while still supporting two kids who are studying themselves?) and also, what will I do once I have a degree? Can I use my education to actually earn a living doing a job I love? After all, what is the point of making the effort to change if I end up in some dead-end job I hate, not earning enough to keep body and soul together, LOL! Thanks for this input!
You sound like a very together lady, Liane, with a lot of skills coupled with a lot of common sense. I read more about you in your post below. Plus you have had the experience of being a freelancer. You’re wise to keep your heart open to new possibilities while staying grounded. Hey, exploring is free! I had started to do the same — I think you inspired me to keep investigating options.
Good luck! Keep us posted on your journey. I bet that some day, when the economy and our circumstances change, it could happen for both of us.
I like this “laundry list”. It would be fantastic if we could just turn the direction we want and push GO. I just saw an adviser for the local college and I’m faced with several obstacles. There is no way around the residency clause: one year to pay instate here in Florida. I was expecting it. There are so many directions I can go and it boils down to money. We can live on what he makes. We can even buy a modest condo or home here but, the job market sucks at 14.5 unemployment. My thoughts keep hopping around starting my own business, going to work if I’m able to find work or bite the bullet and get the student loan and go for it. After a year, I’ll get my residency here and the tuition goes down. My gut tells me, I’ve waited this long, why not wait until it’s financially favorable. Work for a year and scope out all possibilites.
Hey Moongoddess: I live in Florida, too, and it’s not an easy place to be right now. And even in-state tuition fees are going up. I just am not comfortable at this time investing in more education – but then, as you probably could tell from my list, I am somewhat risk adverse. On the other hand, it’s very comforting to realize that at least we are in a financially stable situation after saving and working on our debt.
I tell myself, as they sing in “Avenue Q:” It’s only for now. Things will change eventually and then maybe we all can start looking at new possibilities that are realistic. Good luck!
I’ve only lived here a week. It’s too early to look for a job but I’m hearing some hard things about the job market. I may have to start my own business. I like being my own boss anyway. I’ll see. I need to scope out my area and see what there is a need for. Thank you, good luck to you too.
You have my empathy here too! As newcomers to New Zealand, we (kids and I) will only be eligible for ‘domestic’ tuition fees (as opposed to international student fees) once we have permanent residence. I started the application process a year ago and it is taking a loooooooong time,
Secondly, as new permanent residents, we are not eligible for the no-interest government student loan facility until we have held residence for TWO years! Which means that any funding for education has to be found elsewhere.
My daughter has a small college tuition fund which might just see her through the first two years. My son used his up on overseas travel and a previous one-year course back in SA, so he has nothing. I have nothing except a home in SA which I am thinking of selling, but cannot do so until the end of this year as it is currently tenanted. Also, given the terrible state of economy and property market, it may take months to sell and I can’t afford to pay the mortgage an empty house if the tenants leave … ugh!
I tend to have a very optimistic and sometimes unrealistic outlook … as in: “it will all work out somehow!” And very often, it does! But there are no guarantees. We can only do our homework, make some best guess, then jump in feet first. Or not, LOL!
Hi Liane,
I’ve been a curriculum designer, writer, and editor for around 20 years for K – 12 education in history, social studies, and the humanities. It’s been a very fulfilling career, but things changed around four years ago. I was diagnosed with an acoustic neuroma, which is a type of benign brain tumor. It produces a host of symptoms that come and go spontaneously— some making me dysfunctional for periods of time (vertigo, trigeminal neuralgia, and debilitating headaches). Throw that on top of my menopausal transition with the mood swings and general discomfort and I just had to seek a change. My work required immense amounts of time at the computer and I’ve always had a virtual office, so the isolation and lack of support was very difficult and unhealthy.
I decided to go back to school and earn my MBA (masters of business administration). Now, I’m a person who loves education so it’s been a wonderful gift so far. I’m attending Mills College in Oakland, CA, which is an all women’s liberal arts school with a long, beautiful history (it was founded in 1852). The campus is like the Garden of Eden and just being there nourishes my soul. I’m surrounded by intelligent, remarkable women of all ages; in fact, we made national headlines this year when we graduated a 94-year-old woman, Hazel Soares! I’ve completed my first year and have three more semesters to go. The course work is rigorous, I’m learning so much, and I’m thrilled to be there.
I’m not an independently wealthy woman and money is tight. I’m single, don’t own a home (or much of anything for that matter), but I’ve never, ever let money keep me from doing what my heart seeks. I’m a person with a high risk tolerance for money as I’ve found that financial matters always seem to work out. I’ve taken out student loans so far, and I’ve been awarded a full-tuition scholarship for the rest of my course work from Goldman Sachs, 10,000 Women Initiative. How blessed is that?!
I haven’t nailed down exactly what I want to do after I graduate, but I feel like I have a lot of options. I may start a business, I may work for a big corporation, I may pursue a freelance writing career, or I may go back to work for my former employer in a different capacity (an offer my boss has already made). Like financial matters, I’m very comfortable with uncertainty and fully trust that the Goddess will guide me to my place in the world.
One last note is about health care. Given my brain tumor, health care is a huge concern. I almost didn’t do this because of it. It’s the one area where I’m not comfortable with uncertainty, yet I couldn’t let it hold me back. I’ve been covered with COBRA and I’m switching over to Kaiser this school year. Mills provides full Kaiser coverage for about $150 a month and they can’t turn any student down. With the changes the Obama administration is making, I believe that once on a plan they can’t kick you off. So, I’m trusting that this too will work out.
In summary, there’s risk in making a career change no matter what one’s circumstances are. I’m thriving, growing, learning, and am so excited about life that the benefits far outweigh the risks. I wish you the very best in your decision and process!
J Anne, your story is so touching and compelling, thank you for sharing your journey. I have to comment about your newsworthy story, I remember reading that and was so ecstatic that I read it to my 80 year old mom, she loved it too, that shows me exactly what I am a complete believer of that when you have a dream and the desire to face uncertainty and risk, you can be successful…at anything! You are an amazing woman, best wishes to you in your endeavors, whatever they turn out to be.
Thanks Laura Susan! I appreciate the support.
Just turned 54 july 20th. Been a pre-school teacher for 30 years. Contemplating a career changed.
As soon as I can get more paid on a previous student loan(I took a break from teaching and went to truck driving school and learned to drive a BIG Truck and drove 2 1/2 years with my hubby,missed teaching so I am back teaching),I will be going back to school (a business college). I think I want to work in a medical office(back office,filing,setting appointments,etc).
My daughter is in school (she’s 25 engaged will marry Oct 2011). She will graduate in Janurary as a Medical Assistant. My son (he’s 28 married just over a year now)has finished his general ed classes and is waiting to be accepted in a Nursing program at our local college(they have a lottery list you have to wait for you name to come up). They have both gone to college because they have seen me in school getting my degree in Early Childhood Education and my diploma for truck driving.
I am looking forward to changing careers and learning something new.
It is fantastic to hear about the changes you all have made and I am SO encouraged by your stories! As I read them and as I considered my own situation, I realized that I have been toying with the idea for ages now in a very airy-fairy kind of way, not really thinking about what it might mean to actually put a real career change into practice. And I say ‘real’ because my working life to date has included several digressions but no complete departure from my primary training.
For the record: I qualifed as a general RN at age 20, added on post-grads in midwifery and psychiatric nursing and have worked in various fields of nursing since then, including stints in intensive care, hospice, alternative health, aged care and risk management. In 2004 I digressed into freelance editing and copywriting but due to really poor marketing skills (I hate selling!) I ended up working part time as an RN to supplement my freelance work. I’ve been a single parent since 1994, raised two great kids who are now 18 and 21
Last year, I came to work in New Zealand (as an RN) with a view to living here permanently – wanted to get away from all the ‘bad stuff’ in South Africa, wanted my kids to get first world educations, and wanted the chance to start over for myself! Now that we are closer to being settled and to getting permanent residence, I’ve begun to think more about my own future and what I want that to look like. The things that have always made my heart beat faster are English literature and creative writing, researching, teaching, exploring things like philosophy and religion. I’ve always read widely, both fiction and non-fiction, and I know I could cope with university level education, should it prove possible financially. But as some of you have said, one must count the cost realistically before embarking on an enterprise that will affect not only my life, but also that of my two kids who are still dependent on me (both will be studying too next year and we all need to eat and live!)
So I’m now immersed in research, exploring options and, not least, hunting for possible avenues for financial aid to make all this happen! Thank you all for being part of this conversation so far – I’m looking forward to talking with you further!
Liane,
I surely know getting out of your comfort zone is not the easiest but it is always the best when you are determined to give yourself what you deserve. I spent 20 years in the clothing industry building a multi-million dollar business. I was successful but I did not own my life. @ 52 I started anew career in the. Health and. Wellness industry that fell into my life for a reason. I now have the freedom to empower other women to build a business like I hav and I pinch myself every day. Women are changing the world and I am thrilled to be a part of that. Let me know if I can be of assistance. Lorri
Lorri, I like what you said “I did not own my life”. Isn’t that so true of so many of us? We live for our kids, our spouses/partners/parents etc. And it takes a big change in mental attitude to realize that it is OK, and if fact GOOD, to start giving to ourselves as well as to others. I am only just learning that now, also at 52.
Liane
I have been an LPN for 30 years and I am starting an RN program at age 52. I started a few years back and was almost done with the program and I had to drop out so now I have lost all my nursing credits as they have expired and have to take all the classes over, its too bad but I have learned I cant change the world and this has been my lifelong dream so I am beginning again but I know it will go faster this time as I have to take the same classes again! I love school and more important it feels good to be doing what your heart has been telling you for years to do. Its never too late to live your dream!!
Hi Liane, I too find myself in the position that you are in. However, being 60 yrs old, I tend to think that I am too old to start all over again. I have a BS in Nutritional Sciences that I rec’d in 1981, & I worked for 25+ yrs in the food industry as a QA Director & Manager. I changed careers due to burn out and became a Realtor in my small town, with no commute or stress. Now that the economy is in such a slump, I cannot earn a living as a Realtor any longer, so I’ve worked at a couple of menial office jobs, one of which I am currently employed at. I am bored out of my mind and certainly under employed. However, at 60 years old, I just am at a loss as to what I can do now. I’ve applied for a multitude of different jobs, and I can’t even get past first base in most jobs, as I know that I am over qualified, and I don’t need a sledge hammer to hit me over the head to realize that I am also looked at as being too old!
I can’t fall back on my degree either because of the technical nature of it and the matter of what they call recency. Do you or any of your responders have any suggestions for me?
Thanks much:-) P.S. Sorry if I sound negative, just looking for advice……
age is irrelevant – grandma moses didn’t start painting until she was in her 70′s. I try to keep that in mind – I am not done until I say I am done.
maybe it is not because of the economy or the your age or your past but because you don’t have a goal or target?
a life coach or success coach might help you sort that out?
I was listening to this woman and she seemed very skilled
http://www.newenglandsuccesscoaching.com/
Hi Everyone, Age is relevant when you are being interviewed by a 28 year old who wants to know if you can lift 50 lbs (knowing that if you lift 50 lbs you are going to get a migraine head ache!), but in order to get the job you need to tell him/her “of course, I can!” It is also relevant when they ask you where do you see yourself in 5 and 10 years from now?
Thanks for the tip, but quite honestly, right now I can’t afford a life coach or a success coach because of too many medical bills.
I agree that age is irrelevant…God didn’t create numbers, people did. Numbers are important in many aspects of this time in space; however, I believe numbers cannot limit us unless we allow it. When age is the focus, there are many preconceived notions to overcome…first within ourselves and then in the responses of others. I often ask myself, “How young do you feel today, inga?” Today, I am 38 years young on the inside and isn’t that what matters? Just take a moment to center, get quiet, and ask yourself, “How young do I feel today?” Then get moving and take baby steps or giant steps in the direction of your goals and desires! If not now, when? LU all! inga
Age is irrelevant unless you are competing with much younger women for the same job you want…..it is not just how I feel today, it is how old I look to my interviewer….that is just the reality of it…..no, just feeling young is not the only thing that matters when you are job hunting….I always feel young…..but unless I go in to my interviews with a paper bag over my head, they will know in short order my real age, especially when they want SS numbers, school transcripts, etc. etc. There is age discrimination all the time….it is just not readily admitted.
We baby boomer women have really changed perceptions of age and aging. Look at Hillary and Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer to name only a few. I’ve been awarded the Goldman Sachs 10,000 Women full-tuition scholarship for my MBA program at Mills College, and I almost didn’t apply because I had it in my head that they would never give it to a “mature” woman (I’m 51) – but they did! Mills College made national news this year by graduating a 94 year-old woman – Hazel Soares. We’ve come a long way and we’re only beginning!
Yet, I have to agree with BeagleGirl and Sunblossom that age discrimination certainly exists. We would be delusional if we thought otherwise. Many employers don’t give a rat’s a%@ about how young you feel inside. I think the key is entering a field that values the skills and wisdom of older women, and not bang our heads against doors that don’t want us, which would include jobs that require us to lift 50lbs. We will be out-competed for such positions (unless you’re a super fit, body-building type).
My daughter, a jouranlism student, had the honor of interviewing Madame Speaker Pelosi and in the interview she said, “women supporting women works.” Go for the jobs where you are in the company of like-minded, supportive women. There’s plenty of us and we’re changing the whole game in work and education!
Thank you, J Anne, for your encouraging response! I know, first hand, the reality of age (and health) descrimination and have no delusions about either. Best wishes with your MBA experience…you are setting a great example for all of us!
inga
To be fair to Beagle Girl (and I love your cute dog in your photo!): Age is not irrelevant in today’s job market. It’s a reality. It’s fine to cite Grandma Moses, but Grandma probably didn’t worry alot about paying rent or putting food on her table. She started painting primarily as a hobby, giving her early work as gifts to friends and family.
I guess you can try a life coach. They might help you focus on your calling and new directions. I just dont know if that help will translate into a future job.
But having said that (and talking about Grandma Moses): Do you have the economic luxury to maybe start pursuing your passion or true calling through volunteer work or classes, while keeping the day jobs you don’t like but at least keep you afloat? Sometimes, exploring new paths in this way later leads to paying work. And the economy can’t stay this bad forever.
I feel for you. It can be so frustrating.
Thank you Moongirl007, I totally agree with you about living in our reality, as I do need to work 40 hrs. a wk. to stay afloat. The woes of the economy did burst our retirement plan, just as it did to millions of other baby boomers.
I worked for about 5 yrs. as a volunteer in a hospital, and I just loved that; but I had to give that up for full-time employment, when the economy got real bad. I tried to get a job at the hospital, but all of their hiring went through the computer system. So, if you did not have the right credentials for the computer to match you up with the job position, you could NEVER get chosen for an interview no matter how many people you knew or how long you volunteered!
I am thinking of going back to Community College for a Medical Certification so I can at least get an entry level job in a hospital until I’m maybe 70.
Thanks for your thoughts and kind words:))))) Beagle Girl
Oh my Beagle Girl, that’s what I’m doing. I’m almost done with my certification in becoming a Medical Assistant. I’m now doing my internship in a GYN office & I love it. It’s nice & quiet, no kids. (we do not do OB) Most of my patients are in for HRT related problems & menopause issues. I’m not stressed or burned out at the end of the day. I have the weekends off. I work in the clinic, vital signs, drawing blood, paper work & some computer scheduling. The gals in the office are wonderful. The doctors are nice. I work with the same physician daily. The only downside, when a patient learns she has cancer. It just breaks your heart. But also, when she recovers, we all celebrate.! Most of my co-workers are 40+ yr olds. The Physicians are in their mid 50′s. I went to a local vocational school, less to pay back in student loans. It took me 10 months in the class room, Now it looks I will be hired here after my internship. Good luck to you. I wish you the best.
sure its frustrating to not be where you want to be - I have known a lot of people who say they can’t <name the reason> because <whatever> – and so the universe hands them just that
life coaches cost money sure – but goals don’t cost anything
What would be the perfect occupation for you right now? One that doesn’t include 28 year olds with power over you or lifting 50 pounds and get started today and includes your talents and interests . If I have learned anything over these years – if you refuse to be sidelined and march confidently in the direction of your dreams – the universe will carpet the stairs.
life coaches just make the process easier because they provide training wheels – but the critical components are determination, courage and focus. Everything else is just noise.
Hey everyone, I think you meant to address this to Beagle Girl. I have refused to be sidelined, and I have kept a positive outlook on life for the most part, and I confidently marched in the direction of my dreams; but the Universe did NOT carpet MY stairs!! And NO I don’t want a Pity Party!! I had a great Therapist, but she retired and joined a Missionary in a 3rd World Country!
However, at the ripe old age of 60, I find myself a little bit out of steam and a little bit un-nerved by the state of the economy and the difficulty in finding a good paying and stimulating job close to home in my final years of employment. When you are in your 50′s, you are still looking at a possibility of working for another 15-20 years; but when you hit 60, you come to the realization that you are only going to be working for another 5-10 years and hoping to to be able to retire ASAP!
You sound like a nice lady, but maybe one who’s lived in a different Universe than mine, maybe one with less noise~)
I’m guessing you have not been out looking for a job lately…..when you have been trying for years to find that perfect occupation, and the door is continually slammed, either by HR people who cannot see your worth, or 29 year olds eventually scarfing up the job…..one employer told me he gets at least 60 applications for every job he posts….how many do you think are 29, how many 60? Who do you think gets the job….what Beagle says is the reality….there are in fact 28 year olds making these decisions….one person wanted my HS transcripts….what…after more than 40 years of successful employment?? I’m lucky the school is still standing….but it is difficult indeed to not be sidelined when you have put yourself out there time and time again, presented yourself and your resume in the best possible light, to have returned to school, etc. etc., and I’m talking years…..the jobs are not even listed to apply to….some I have found are listed because it is a legal requirement, even if they have already been filled by someone’s mother’s cousin’s daughters next door neighbor…
One upon a time the universe might have carpeted the stairs…this is very idealized thinking….and probably pacifications that would not help me…these are indeed different and new times…..
i have not been unaffected by this economy and I have experience ageism first hand. The question is:
Would you want to work for a company that was interested the you that your high school transcripts represented 40 years ago? In my case NOT.
If they could not find value in you in the interview just wait until you work for them. So it is best to avoid them – you cannot afford to work for them
It doesn’t appear the responders to my post got my message. Think there isn’t a job out there for you? Then you are right. Maintain steadfastly there is – then you are right also. It is easy to fall into a little hole and be discouraged and feel like a victim. It is however more uplifting and productive to find a goal and work at it consistently until you get there. Find an obstacle – brainstorm until you find a way around it. Might take a while so take care of yourself emotionally and their might be side roads and interesting field trips and you might even change the target a few times.
The most important asset you have is your mind and emotions.
I do not think you are hearing us….it isn’t a little hole it is the grand canyon of joblessness…..I have a job and I am ok with it…I want to relocate because of a very long commute in sometimes treatcherous weather…..my point is I have maintained a positive mindset, listen here….there are NO jobs listed in the paper, or by networking, etc. etc. only those that pay slighly more than minimum wage and I need more than that to exist…..what goal would you suggest for a 60 year old woman…..shall I go back to school….well my credit rating is such that I can no longer obtain loans for a car, house, education, etc. And if by some miracle I should get in to a school, and complete a course of study, the 29 years olds are still out there….how would I support myself in the meantime…..how would I maintain health insurance coverage….there is no husband here to pick up any slack, it is all me…..so I ask you to listen I have tried all that you have suggested and probably more….there is no time to coddle my emotional side, I have to work,I have to travel far to work….at the end of the day I am simply tired….right? It is called simply burned out…..do I persist in my search yes, but I just am not in a place to hear about carpeted stairs and positive mind sets….this is all theory in a reality based world….offer me three concrete productive suggestions and then perhaps I can be more receptive.
you have resources – you must – everyone does. Maybe you are very organized or you make a wonderful cookie or you have a great sense of color. At 60 you maybe have 40* years of using this (these) skills – I don’t know what they are – but I bet your neighbors or friends do. Our biggest assets and liabilities are invisible to us. It is the way the world works. So sunblossom take inventory – and take those resources and maximize them and bank on them. I realize that it is not an easy paradigm shift but maybe it is what is needed. Almost all of the nobel winners are over 50 – there is a reason for that. Make your own job or get together with like skilled people and brainstorm what might be the next big thing. When we don’t support ourselves emotionally – so then we are surprised when the universe buys into to our concept of no worth. I have been there. So treat yourself kindly – like you are the most precious person on earth who deserves to have support and love and the best things in life. Do what ever you have to do to get that reinforced in your life. If we are doing things that are not working then we need to do something else.
It is hard to be hired by any industry who sees people as commodities – but why would you want that anyway?
a few real life examples:
I have a sister nearing 60 and her job went to crap – she was a social worker but with the mental health funding cuts the already poorly paid positions were understaffed and overwhelmed. She looked around and said what do I love and what do I want to do and what am I good at. She loved dogs – so she started raising dogs – expensive dogs – english bulldogs. She scraped along for a few years piecing the idea together – and now successfully breeds and sells her dogs for a tidy profit. I was concerned that with the economy being down she would not be able to sell her dogs. But no – each litter they sell out.
At $2000 a pop – I didn’t understand it but then I remembered – as a result of of extensive psychological therapy due to a super crappy childhood she was taught to love herself and care for herself. And that is just what she is doing
I also know a woman who loved quilting – she did it as a hobby for years and they were beautiful – today her quilts go for a lot of money – she no long works her office job.
So what do you love and what excites you and what do you have to work with?
It is interesting that you say that about your sister following her passion and raising dogs.
While not all of us have any financial play room to have a lot of choices, I’ve found myself with copious amounts of free time to ponder, both the past, the present and the future.
I’ve come to the conclusion that my earrings are not as successful as I might like because I don’t really enjoy making them anymore. Sure, I can do it, but it isn’t my passion. I’m not a jewelry freak, and no longer even wear many myself. That makes my target audience a totally different age range. So, time to let that go and plan ahead.
Most of my lifelong passions have become unavailable to me for one reason or another, except for one – cats. I am a feline fanatic. So, I’ve been kicking around ways to get involved with this, and find something I can do that involves cats. Still working on that, but I hope to find it.
Good luck to your sister.
Responding to comment by Everyone:
Just what I am doing right now: working towards my goal online and offline to do coaching for women transitioning to healthier eating and living–VIP day with one woman, one day, with one to one limited support afterwards. As Everyone wrote…I have no choice but to take care of myself emotionally as the opposite would be to “worry about the day” my husband’s business dries up for seasonal sprinkler services which are very affected even with excellent services he provides. Yearly it is slimmer and slimmer. He accepts it that way. He’s probably retired his mind decades ago, but when the phone rang he diligently went to do an excellent job. He never went to networking meetings nor would he dare step into a place where others can help each other. He calls himself a private person—more like a cave man except daily trips to post office and supermarket. That’s pretty much his day besides mowing and watering the grass. He ONLY depends on the phone ringing and on online presence that may get hit but not number 1 for business. I am not interested in promoting his business going to network for him with tons of time he has on his side. I’m about getting my business and ebook for women transitioning to healthier eating/living, etc. As a woman who would be left with no financial support, nor does he care saying I could sell the house (and I being stuck in past for decades, but not any longer I am very inspired to move forward with or without his support) if he can’t work or becomes deceased–I would be LEFT on my OWN with unpaid for house–hardly any assets. Therefore, I am working towards keeping my mind sane, active, creative with emotional stability not freaking on what he can’t give me. The man refuses to change in most areas of his life. I am accepting of that fact and continue to do what I have to do for the two of us to get ahead financially by working on my business. He’s content and I accept his contentment for him, but for me I’m not making money yet in my own business however I am working towards that goal. Winter is around the corner and after his season ends for several months–7ish–his life goes into a shell or a cave. Therefore, my mind remains active and driven to make a difference in this world to see women healthy, happy and doing what they love. I was letting age of 50 be my audience, but now I am thinking why limit and lock myself into a box–younger–older who cares. Sharing my heart …up to the minute reporting here…
I agree – part of caring for ourselves is to stop trying to control others and use our own power in our own lives. I worked for my brother in law who had a small business. His structure of the business was great 50 years ago but in the age of walmart and costco – it wasn’t working. Nothing I could do to convince him to change his business model. He is still stuck there doing his thing making little money but won’t consider changing it. I was successful once I stopped trying to change him and took my own skills in hand.
Making a difference in people’s lives is a noble goal – good luck.
I have been a nurse for over thirty five years. Working in both hospitals and clinics for over twenty years. I believe I have worked in every area except the boiler room. Of course I love taking care of patients and find working with peoplea satisfying event. Then about ten years ago nurses changed. Nursing was about how much money you could make and just how in charge of a person you could be. Not to mention health care had become about the bottom line. The workload became very heavy and mentally challenging to say the least.
I went to work for a health care workers union and experienced major culture shock. The two jobs could not have been more different. So I called on my job and life experience and started a professional division in the union addressing scope of practice and licensees issues. It took time but it was a matter of putting together what I knew with my experience and finding out what the needs of the people were. After doing that for six years I decided the hours were too long and time had become precious to me so I went looking for a new career.
So at 53 years of age I went to work training medical record software to nurses. Now I have to tell you the only thing I knew how to do with a computer was read email. Again I applied my experience and knowledge of nursing and added a lot of practice in a staged environment. It was like learning a foreign language on the job. I am sure I know how foreign students feel when they take classes in English. I had to keep telling myself what a competentwoman I was. (GO ME) It gave me a lot of empathy for the nurses my age in the class room trying to learn the software. Within two years I was developing curriculum for training nurses in the software program.
Don’t sell yourself short you know more than you think you do. Oh yes the 29 year old crowd is out there and they are the desired group by employers. Let your confidence and knowledge show. Just think the 29 year old group has 35 more years to go. You on the other hand only have a few more years in the corporate world then you can do what ever you desire. OR you can do your own thing now and use your knowledge and experience to start up your own company.
Thank you for adding your experience and enthusiasm to this list of comments. I appreciate that we all have differences, yet can all express our thoughts and feelings here. Knowing that other women feel some of the same frustrations and have found ways to survive and succeed during times of change helps us all learn and lean into each other when we need a new idea, a shoulder to cry on or a not-so-gentle nudge in the right direction. May God bless us all as we find our way!
inga
I just listed my yoga retreat in Canada for sale. I am a too busy one man band and so I want to shift gears. This article came at a great time so thank you!
My oldest son didn’t take the news with much enthusiasm. I was tuning him out as he spoke about retirement money, what to do next, ways to simplify my business.
Won’t he be surprised if I go back to school! The sky’s the limit.
I am considering going to massage school and am wondering if anyone has found grants for women who return to school…? I think Pell Grants are available and although they are useful, they don’t cover much of the actual expenses. If I attend an accredited school…my job was eliminated over a year ago…I am 57…does anyone know how I can get more info?
Thanks! inga
Hi, all! I just read the comments on this post, and guess my decision to get a degree in computer science is not a good one after all. Who’s going to hire me at 60?!? This would be my first degree, and I’m currently employed as a switchboard operator at the local hospital. I’ve been there over 25 years (working in Admitting, Cashier, Business Office, Switchboard, etc.) and will have to compete with 20-somethings (mostly young men) when I graduate! I don’t want to be a nurse, teacher, or social worker. I love art, and am considered a good artist, have no money to start up a business – how could I support myself on art, anyway! I don’t live anywhere a city where I could work at a gallery (not that I’d want to). So, what now? Any suggestions? Am I dreaming about the CS degree? Is there an easier way to get there without a formal education? I’m paying for one class at a time.
regardless of your age, speaking as an IT professional, the best way to get a job in IT and be employable afterwards is to get a internship while you are taking the classes even unpaid. What is deadly is a degree and no experience. At 60 I might consider database administration – it is not as physically rigorous as general IT work and there are more job openings all the time as people use data in more and more different ways. IT has an age problem but I ignored it and so can you. Get your school to find an internship for you or approach businesses in your area that need data management. Talk to the IT director at the hospital and ask if you can help with their IT projects – free and then if you are reliable and helpful they will give you a reference or if you get lucky one of the database administrators might leave or go on maternity leave and you are a natural choice at that point. Good Luck.
Thank you so much! These are really good suggestions. I have already helped the IT department at the hospital, but didn’t even think of that as experience…duh! The IT director is actually my Department Director. He’s been a good boss so far. I think I will talk with him and see what other things I can help them with.
I had thought about going to a local computer business that just opened up, and ask them if they could use some free help one day a week for a few hours. This would mean leaving my Mom alone a few more hours a week, but I could try it at least. Maybe that would lead to some networking…
Thanks again for your positive support. It made my day!
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