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I'm new to this book writing business. I assumed it would be hard work, and it is. But, what I didn't expect was that the mere mention of my literary efforts, would bring about such a consistent reaction - a pregnant pause, a politely frozen smile, and an abrupt change in topic. It's uncanny. I'm beginning to understand the proliferation of writing groups. Maybe it's a little like joining a leper colony.

As you know, I'm new to this book writing business. I assumed it would be hard work, and it is. Often frustrating, sometimes demoralizing, and, if you really let yourself think about it, downright overwhelming. I was prepared for that. Well, sort of anyway. Secretly I had hoped the words would just fly off my fingers like so much magic fairy dust. Oh well, what's one more pesky delusion laid to rest. It's ok. As my father used to say, "You don't get something for nothing." So work it is. I'm game.

But, what I didn't expect was that the mere mention of my literary efforts, would bring about such a consistent reaction - a pregnant pause, a politely frozen smile, and an abrupt change in topic. It's uncanny. Across a broad spectrum of friends acquaintances, including my nearest and dearest (in fact, particularly my nearest and dearest), the reaction is the same. It's like running into a stone wall.

It's not that I go around looking for ways to insert the topic of my Work in Progress into the general conversation, I learned early on not to commit that particular faux pas. My first clue was my sister mentioning a regular customer in her shop, who, she claims, always finds a way to casually mention her latest book project. "Why does she think I care if she's writing a book? She just wants to be sure we all know. So obnoxious. I just ignore her." Really? Okay, got it. Mums the word. No unsolicited blathering. But when someone I know reasonably well asks me, innocently enough, how I'm spending my time these days when I'm not painting dogs, or raking leaves, I answer truthfully. "Well, I'm trying to write a book, and it takes way more time than you'd think. In fact it's really hard and is driving me crazy." You'd think I'd uttered a rude noise, or a bad smell. Geez.

For months after telling my mother about my talks with an agent who wanted me to write a book, and that I'd decided to give it a try, she never mentioned it. Not once. My son, an avid student of literature, and excellent writer himself, instantly changed the subject when, looking for a little sympathy and/or encouragement, I told him last week that my writing has been in serious stuck mode for the last few months. My daughter makes a little humming noise at the mere mention, and, as far as I know, my other son has decided to pretend he's never heard anything about it at all. Deaf, dumb, and mute is his game. My friends acknowledge if necessary, but never inquire. Even Russ, when I ask him to read a section for a little objective input, kind of glazes over, then gives me one good reason after the other why he can't do it "just now". But, believe me, later never comes. I've stopped asking.

I'm beginning to understand the proliferation of writing groups. Maybe it's a little like joining a leper colony.

So here's a bit of advice, should you decide to tackle a writing project yourself, be prepared to go it alone. Your efforts will be solitary, and let me tell you, it's lonely out there in the land of word crafting. No one, I repeat no one, unless maybe you have a couple of fellow writers amongst your collection of friends, wants to hear about it, let alone read it. Never mind that you're killing yourself in your efforts to birth this thing, it is, apparently, very bad form to mention it. Something best kept behind closed doors. A personal matter that should be tended to in the privacy of one's own "boudoir". If you're lucky, you might get lip service at least, a bland, "Oh right, that's great." But don't expect anything remotely approaching sympathy for your struggles, let alone enthusiastic support, encouragement, or any interest beyond the purely conceptual.

And for God's sake, don't ask anyone to read anything.

So I've decided to lay low. Go to ground and plow though it alone. It's probably for the best. What if all my efforts never see the light of day? What if I die before I finish? What if it's truly terrible? The less talk the better. Then, miracle of miracle, if this long suffering Child of mine ever manages to stand on it's own feet, and draws breath in the form of words that take on a life of their own, won't it be a pleasant surprise?

For all of us.

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Wendy Dewar Hughes said to Sarah G. Carter
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I have found that telling others you are a writer is rather like asking if they want to see your family travel videos or photos. Only those who love to travel are interested in seeing your photos because travelling interests them so much. With writing, it seems like the very act of mentioning that you can write makes you sound pretentious. People don't know what to do with the information and usually launch into, "Have you read my sister's cousin's son's book, blah, blah, blah."

I'm a writer and an artist. As an artist I get the same thing..."Oh, my aunt had a stroke and then she took up watercolour painting and you should see her paintings, blah, blah, blah." Since I'm a professional artist, not a hobbyist, and a professional writer, not a dabbler (and I make money at both), I'm not interested in Aunt Fanny's, or cousin Bobby's efforts, so I've found that it makes more sense to not bring up what I do unless I also explain it in terms the non-artistic can grasp. Such as, "I'm an artist and I have designed my own line of paper gift products that I wholesale to gift stores all over Canada and the U.S." It gives the listener something to connect to and provides conversations starters. Another example might be, "I'm a writer and I ghostwrite business and motivational materials for successful business people, as well as working on my second novel." The response then, rather than glazed eyes, is "Wow, that's interesting. How do you...?"

Having said that, it helps to find your own tribe - those whose goals are similar to yours. A writing group can help with that, but you may find yourself in with a group of hobby writers who are playing with the idea of being a writer. That's fine if that's where you are. Personally, I have always eschewed local artists' groups for that very reason. My aim is to be internationally known, so hanging out with these people, nice as they are, will not help me get where I want to go. I don't really care how well I'm known locally for my work if it's being sold all over the world.

The same applies to writer's groups. If you need the moral support as you are starting out, they're great. But it helps to have an idea where your writing career is headed and look directly for the kind of group that suits you. Some will simply hold you back or encourage you to think small.

If you are interested in connecting with me for support, encouragement through the tough patches, or to rejoice over the victories and accomplishments, let me know. I so hear you because I am so there, too. Sometimes, one person to connect with is all you need.

By the way, I am on the third to last chapter of my thirty-nine chapter novel. I'm planning to have it done this week.

Debi Drecksler said to Wendy Dewar Hughes
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You can talk to me about it any time! I'm very excited for you and I look forward to hearing the details.

Sandra Thériault said to Wendy Dewar Hughes
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Hmmmm   What do you think of those who don't hesitate to call themselves writers just because they've taken up writing, whether as a hobby or an aspiration? Do you need to be published to call yourself a writer? There is some published 'stuff' out there that isn't all that good, you know.

Another question: What is the difference between a writer and an author?

One more: Does writing for pay make you a writer? What about online sites? Editing and re-writing people's texts? 

At what point can someone proudly proclaim he/she is a writer?

 

AuthorTalia said to Sandra Thériault
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A writer is someone who wants to write more than anything else.

When I started writing fiction, I added on my business cards the title "writer" to my other profession at the time. It was part of my new identity.

That was fifteen years ago. Now my business card only reads "Author." The difference, I think, is that a "writer" can mean a broader range of writing projects while I mostly write book-length fiction. (My short pieces--stories, personal essays, and an occasional article--are just a side thing....)

BTW, someone who edits other people's writing is an editor, not a writer. I've met too many "editors" that truly don't have a clue what they're doing. But I am much more liberal about accepting whoever wants to call herself a "writer," because there is no promise regarding the quality of that writing or a commitment to improve someone else's words only to make it worse.

Talia Carner

Author, PUPPET CHILD, CHINA DOLL and JERUSALEM MAIDEN (latter to be published in 2011 by HarperCollins)

www.TaliaCarner.com

LilTigg said to Wendy Dewar Hughes
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You write therefore you are a writer - being published doesn't always mean you are a 'good' writer - you might just know the right people in the business.

Don't place snobbery onto another person's passion.

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Wendy Dewar Hughes said to LilTigg
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When you dance you are a dancer; when you walk you are a walker. When you create art you are an artist and when you write you are a writer. When you have written you are an author.

A skater need not be an Olympic athlete to be considered a skater. In the same way, a writer need not have been published to be considered a writer. Publishing to the web makes you a published author, for that matter.

My point is that when choosing a writer's group, it is important to know what your goals are and find a group that supports them. I don't see how that is snobbery. If your goal is simply to be around other people who like to write, a writer's group is the place to find them. As I mentioned in my post, it's important to find your tribe, those who support your own goals.

Sarah G. Carter said to Wendy Dewar Hughes
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Wendy - Thanks for your input. I like your analogy to family photos and videos - very true. I'm an artist/designer too, also proffessional, but have never encountered quite the same sort of resistance to revealing that, In fact, it has always been quite the opposite, as people tend  to seem unreasonably awed by the implied creativty involved. But, as I've noticed, writing seems to be different. I do have a tribe, a couple who are writer types, who understand,and are supportive in ways that someone who doesn't understand the process cant ever really be. And I can see that thay group will grow as I make more and more connections in this new world of word crafters. Though, as yoiu say, even one person is probably enough - otherwise I can imagine a tendancy  to over talk, over analyze, over think. But, nice at least to feel "sympathy" for the struggle from someone who has been threre and knows. Thanks for your offer of a supportive ear - I may take you up on it before its all over (this project, I mean - will I ever stop writing?)

anir said to Sarah G. Carter
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Maybe, just maybe, people around you are sort of afraid that if you have them read what you have written, and they don't share your enthusiasm about it, they might not know how to react when you ask for their opinion... 

Something to consider.  Hope your book is a success.  Don't write, but love to read.

anir

Margaret Placentra Johnston said to anir
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(to Wendy)

And maybe, just maybe, since most of the people you say are turning a deaf ear about your writing are close to you, maybe they are afraid that becoming an author will change your role in THEIR lives in a way they do not want.  Perhaps they want to continue to see you just as "mom" or "my sister." 

If their view of you cannot expand to include who you want to become, perhaps you would want to broach this topic with them, about how you would like their support and that you will still be available to them in the same way after you become an author.

I say this with some degree of experience.  I started around the age of 56 or so writing a book on a fairly controversial topic, that seemingly had nothing to do with my life in my earlier years.  Presenting this change in who I was becoming to "my people" was not an easy task, it had to be done slowly and gradually over time.  But I must say I have not enountered the level of resistance you report.  I wish you luck in finding a supportive group with positive energy to help you through this transition.

PS on the contrary about the leper colony, a writing group can be a hugely supportive - and very fun.  I urge you to give one a try if you haven't already. 

Sandra Thériault said to Margaret Placentra Johnston
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It is my feeling that a lot of people are intimidated by the fact that an acquaintance of theirs writes, for a couple of obvious reasons: 1. The tacit message is telling them that we consider ourselves better wordsmiths than they are...this perceived superiority, that we flaunt, might be somewhat insulting to them, so we feel we need to wear kid gloves and pussyfoot around that topic. 2. Some could fear being a subject, or at least a negative inspiration in a writer's repertoire. They wonder about unpleasant things they did to us in the past that might "come around"...not something they enjoy thinking about.

All in all, declaring that one is a writer is threatening to some, on many levels. A writer has knowledge, therefore, power. And a self-proclaimed (unpublished) writer might seem like a bully.

Sarah G. Carter said to Sandra Thériault
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I do understand the bit about what amounts to an implication of arrogance (unintended or not). I can see that. Interesting though that "artist' doens't seem to carry quite the same negative spin. I used to day I was a "designer' rather than artist (I did design rugs and other home furnishing products for many years), but chose the word because of my own resistance to the implicaiton of the word "artist" - might as well have said "saint" as far as I was concerned. When I started painting, it was a big deal for me to start owning "artist". Now "writer"! I don't pretend to be anything more than a reasonably articulate person who might have a story to tell. And someone who presumably knows her business, convinced me I could do it. Believe me, it's a leap of faith! For the moment, I'm writing, so I'm a writer.

Sarah G. Carter said to anir
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Anir - Your point is well taken. It's a little like the hesitancy I feel sometimes about going into a shop owned by someone I know - as if not buying something would be insultling to them! Silly isn't it? But I can see how reading something written by a freind (or family member) might feel "dangerous" - You would want to be honest, but at the same time, you wouldn't want to hurt their feelings if your response was less than positive. A difficult position. Thanks for offering a different perspective.

Helenoflafolot said to Sarah G. Carter
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I laughed as soon as I saw your title, the other day!  HA HA!  Whenever I tell people about my business they respond: GOOD FOR YOU!  I e-mailed a lot of friends about that, joking that it's a way for people to say:  Yep, uh huh... I'm busy, ....  uh yeh - whatever it is you do... I gotta get going - OH NO - DOES SHE WANT MONEY FROM ME!  etc etc... but it translates and comes out of their mouths as:  GOOD FOR YOU!  or as ... THERE YA' GO!  ahahahahaa   ...where'd everbody gooooooooo?   ahahahahhahaaa

Debi Drecksler said to Sarah G. Carter
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I just realized that my comment went to Wendy....I was telling YOU that I'm very excited about your book and that you can talk to me about it any time!  p.s. Wendy...Can't wait to rejoice with you when you finish that last chapter!!

AuthorTalia said to Sarah G. Carter
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I am not sure why you are getting this response. When I started writing, my family was interested and encouraged me. Actually, one of my cousins, a lofty Nobel Laureate (in medicine/science, not literature) who'd rarely spoken to me until then, became interested and until his passing two years ago always initiated a conversation with me. (In fact, he contributed a good idea to my latest novel.)

But I did encounter envy from a friend who aspired to be a writer all her life, studied literature at an ivy league university and could actually string words together very well. Except that she had no imagination and could rarely find a subject to write about. And here I was, pouring out hundreds of pages, and getting awards for my virgin writing. When my second personal essay was published in The New York Times merely one year into my writing it sent her over the edge with jealousy. (She actually demanded that I stop writing!) Obviously, it broke our relationship.

Luckily, my other friends were very supportive, believing that whatever I took up would be good. However, I did not share my writing with them. I started a writing group with excellent writers, and they became my support group for the next decade. I agree with Wendy's response that you should be careful with finding the right writing buddies. You can start by checking www.IWWG.com for a group in your area--or start one.

Good luck!

Talia Carner

Author

www.TaliaCarner.com

Sarah G. Carter said to AuthorTalia
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Talia - I think you've found  the magic formula - find a carefully chosen group of fellow writers who will fill the role of supporters, and  objective "outside" readers. Sharing my writing with non-writing friends and family, expecting them to understand what I'm doing, face their own fears of what you might say (I'm writing a memoir), much less offer constructive input, makes no sense. Not having any other viable resource, I was using "default mode" by turning to my usual group of friends and family members. Bad plan. I have now seen the light! It's not that any of them aren't supportive in a conceptual sort of way, they are - well, maybe not my two younger children (20 and 26), but oh well. As I said, I think I make them nervous. I'll check the site you listed to begin my search for a group that's a good fit. Thank you for your input, and good luck on your soon to be released next book. All the best - Sarah

DrStephanie said to Sarah G. Carter
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I can totally relate!  Even though I have an actual Master's degree in writing, have written tons of educational materials, and have a book contract, my friends rarely ask how my writing is going.  I think your writing a book is the same to your family as a pregnancy is sometimes to a man:  It isn't real until the book / baby is born.  Just keep going!

Tas said to Sarah G. Carter
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Well I think it's great that you decided to write.  I have grown children....well we all know that aren't perfect like the rest of us.  After reading your blog I have a couple of questions:

1) Have your kids been good listeners before you began writing?

2) Why would your mom say you should write and not be excited and supportive?  Seems odd..

3) Could it be possible that you need to get some new friends that love to write...share your frustrations and rewards together??

4) Are your conversations more about your writing and less about what others are doing?  Just a thought.  When we are excited or frustrated in life we tend to chat about it...not realizing others need to be heard too.

 

I hope you aren't offended by my questions. My intention is good..

Ciao

Sarah G. Carter said to Tas
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Tas - I'm not offended at all by your questions. All of them seem reasonable to me, so I'll have a go.

1) No, I wouldn't call my chidren "good listeners" - at least not as far as listening to me talk about my life/issues etc. Must have done something wrong.

2) My mother IS supportive as I said, but in concept. She knows this is somthing I've decided to do, so she is supportive of my decision.She just doesn't understand it, nor, apparently, is she interested enough in what I might have to say to ask to read anything. But, as she said to me recently (after she read the one piece I shared with her), "I guess I'm just much more private than you are. It kind of makes me nervous reading all that." See what I mean?

3) It's more than possible, it's pretty obvious at this point that I need a new "Tribe" of fellow writers (exhibitionists?) I'm going to work on that in a few weeks when I get back to Maine.

4) No, I certainly understand that no one is interested in my blathering on about the ins and outs of my writing process - I really never do that. As I said, I don't even mention the writing unless someone (close friends and family only) asks about how I'm spending my time etc. But your point is well taken, and I fully intend (now that I've caught on to the general book-a-phobia) to be VERY careful about mentioning it to anyone - family included!

marycloch said to Sarah G. Carter
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Is it possible that it's guilt or even shame clearing the room when you say you're a writer?  There are many, many people who don't read.  Incomprehensible, but true.  For some, reading is like math.  It never took.  And they know admitting this makes them look or feel, well, maybe dumb. Can you imagine being at some gathering and somebody says I am working on a new super mathematical formula that will blah, blah, blah?  That would be me with a polite frozen smile, already gone somewhere else in my mind.

I am sooooo grateful to have a go-to daughter for input/advice on my writing.  But even then, I understand I must use her sparingly.    

Sarah G. Carter said to marycloch
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Mary - Interesting. First of all, I have to admit that as I was reading your words "guilt and shame", I  jumped immediatly to the conclusioin that it was my OWN guilt and shame that was poisoning the well (or clearing the room as the case may be). Guilt that I'm not doing better/working harder, and shame that I would presume to posess somthing worth saying or the abilty to say it elegantly/effectively. How's that for revealing? I'll have to sit with that one for a bit. At any rate, yes, you are very lucky to have a daughter available for input/advice, and wise to know there are limits even then. True too I think even of our "Tribes of Fellow Writers". Ultimately, this process is undertaken in the singular. The real dance is between me, myself and "The Muse". Learning to leave plenty of space for her to enter, and the grace to let her lead.

cece621 said to Sarah G. Carter
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I thought it was just me! I was in the news business for years and people did want to talk about that. I'm in the D.C. area, so company town, I guess. But I left that biz 10 years ago and have been freelancing. I did start a blog 15 months ago, an old-style southern remembry, which I write along the lines of the expository essay. I learned this from a college professor who was a good friend of Scottie Fitzgerald, the author's daughter ( http://myblog-astonishme.blogspot.com/2009/10/still-more-to-say.html.). Some people just love this blog, mostly people I did not know, who just found me online. And they encourage me to write more, write a book, etc. I also write for various sites online.

So, I've shared these writing sites with friends, including my two bookclubs. And for the most part, they have not been the least bit interested. Resounding thud. I know these aren't books, but still. I don't talk endlessly about myself, an old habit from the journalism days. So people might find out things by going to my blog that otherwise I am not talking about, things I find too hard to put into words verbally.

I have stopped talking about the writing. I did learn. But I was so relieved to read this post to find it wasn't just me.  Because the truth is my feelings were hurt for awhile. 

 

 

Sarah G. Carter said to cece621
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Cece - I just read the blog post you linked. Wonderfu! Thank you for sharing it, and thank you too for admitting that you have faced the same "writing resistance" I described. Some of the other readier responses were beinning to make me wonder if I wasn't afflicted by an unusually unsupportive group of friends and family. Maybe something was really wrong with this picture after all. I hoped it was a known phenomenon, not just ME! So now we can chalk it up to ??, but at least know its not unusual, and get back to work! Thanks  Sarah

Aileen G. Baron said to Sarah G. Carter
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I usually turn to the person sitting next to me on a plane (because they're a captive audience), and tell them that I'm  a writer, and they say "Wow". Then I give them my card with the titles of my books, and they say they intend to buy them. I do this because I am a shameless hussy, and these days you have to do everything  you can to promote your books.

I don't know if they really buy my books, but I try.

As a small blond retired arcaheologist, I write mysteries in which the protagonist is a small blond archaeologist. That's because they say that you should write what you know.

Check out my web site: www.aileengbaron.com

Happy reading.

Sarah G. Carter said to Aileen G. Baron
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Dear Shamless Hussy,

You're great. Don't apologize. I love your attitude, and can't wait to try the plane experiment. Meanwhile, I'll check out your site - really!

engaginglife said to Sarah G. Carter
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Sarah,

I get mixed responses.  Friends and family who knew I was writing my first novel during NaNo last November tracked my word count, gave lots of encouragement and support by reducing demands on my time, and begged to read it when I was finished.  They follow my blog.  Only one person was able to give usable feedback.  She is an avid reader, not a writer, who waited forty years to read my first novel.  I'm thrilled that she lived to read it and make excellent suggestions for revision. 

One sister-in-law, a writer who has yet to complete a first draft, gave no feedback.  I was disappointed because she has the education and skills to give an objective critique.  I would love to be in a writer's group with her.

I suspect that most people just don't know how to participate in a conversation about writing and quickly become uncomfortable when one starts up.  When I see that in their eyes or hear it in their voices, I change the subject.  Ask what they are reading and the conversatioin gets animated!

Maybe we need to start a writer's group online for those of us with no local access....

Nancy 

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