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The underlying social rule was that anyone older was due respect and considerate behavior, which included not answering them back or trying to justify my actions when apologizing.

I recall my grandmother relating a tale of an older women she knew, who inadvertently stood on her foot for a period of time during a conversation, oblivious that she was doing so. I asked why my grandmother didn’t politely ask the other woman to move her foot, and her reply surprised me. “She was older than me, and if I had said anything it would have shown that she was doing something wrong, which would have embarrassed her.” It struck me as odd that she would have suffered physical discomfort to protect the feelings of someone else, but the social mores of the 1920s were such that she unquestioningly put respect for an elder ahead of her own comfort.

In some ways her behavior wasn’t so odd; she grew up when personal behavior was a clear sign of your social class and background. Even when I grew up two generations later, if an adult saw a child misbehaving on the street they would tell them to behave themselves, then stand and wait until the child showed signs of changing their behavior before moving on. If they weren’t close enough to reprimand a child directly, then they would quickly call the parents about the misdeeds.

Since my mother was a teacher at a local elementary school I knew I was easily recognized, and that news of the smallest disagreement with my brothers on the walk home would quickly be relayed to my mother. By the time I got home my punishment would be ready and waiting, even if it was just to go and apologize for the crime I had reportedly committed. The underlying social rule was that anyone older was due respect and considerate behavior, which included not answering them back or trying to justify my actions when apologizing.

Even though I am now the age of the people I had to apologize to, old ideas die hard and I am still (largely) respectful of other people, especially those who are older than me. I admit that when I stub my toe or am extremely frustrated I may say things my mother wouldn’t approve of, but they are said well out of earshot of anyone concerned! At the bottom of my attitudes and behavior is the belief that I am (usually) treated as I treat others. If I wish to be treated with respect, then I must first be respectful of others.

This afternoon a contemporary was the recipient of a couple of angry, foul-mouthed emails full of self-righteous indignation from an unrelated young adult. I was startled to hear about this, and it made me wonder whether respect for others is still taught by parents, or if it has gone out of fashion? My contemporary chose to take the high road and not continue the exchange, but it was disturbing to realize that someone had raised their child to believe that this was an appropriate way to resolve a difference of opinion with someone older than them.

When my daughters, who are a similar age to the emailer, were growing up they were encouraged by teachers to let other people know if their behavior made them feel unhappy, and to use ‘I’ statements to ask others to stop doing things they didn’t like. As they got older we helped them learn how to modify these statements so they assisted in resolving the situation instead adding fuel to the fire. They learned to differentiate between intent and effect, and that the benefits of taking the high road were more enduring than the brief satisfaction of throwing out an angry and inflammatory response.

I’m clearly biased, but think my daughters have grown to become young women who know how to behave appropriately in different situations, and from feedback I’ve received are generally considered to be polite and well-mannered. They know that expression of anger has its place, but that angry emails need to stay in the ‘drafts’ folder overnight. They are respectful of both their contemporaries and older people, and this has got them into places that rude, immature behavior would never have landed them. Am I hopelessly old fashioned to expect that other parents will also have worked with their children as they grew up so they could become polite, appropriately behaved and respectful adults?

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SharonLK said to Gillian Lancaster
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Gillian, your post came at just the right moment. As a teacher I am in the last two weeks of an online college course. I have received some email messages from students who are failing due to their own lack of effort in completing assignments. I believe that setting an example is one way for students to learn. Apparently some students have missed the point with my examples in communication and appear to believe it is their right to address me in a less-than-respectful manner. That last statement is putting it mildly! ;-) No, you're not old fashioned. Who fosters the less-than-respectful manner? Sharon
Gillian Lancaster said to SharonLK
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Thank you, its good to know I'm not alone in this!
nangano said to Gillian Lancaster
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Very good topic. I grew up in the fifties and sixties. They took respect to others very seriously. I once jiggled my granmothers upper arm, which was a bit flabby, and said, "Grandma, your fat." Now, we weren't hit much, but the slap I received stung and I remembered it! I loved my grandmother and it was not meant to be mean. My mother, who had hit me, said, "Don't ever speak to my mother like that." We were never allowed to call an older person by their first name or a relative without their title, aunt, uncle, etc. They were respected. If a teacher reprimanded you in school, it was assumed you actually did something wrong. Today, however, the teacher must have done something wrong. The child has no idea how to dress properly in different sitation, like church, a funeral or the beach. They are all the same. To add to your topic, integrity and ethics are a thing of the past. To go with your "needs or feelings" override what is honest or ethical is secondary. It is very sad. The parents have no control over what their children do. The children suffer and really scream out for some help. They have no order in their lives. I've seen this as a parent, a teacher and an employer. There are no boundaries, so the children flounder. Then they wonder why they drown in drugs, fail at school and do not succeed in business.
Gillian Lancaster said to nangano
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You make a good point. If parents aren't teaching good manners, then it is unlikely they are teaching integrity or ethics either. Unfortunately the consequences for us all are becoming clearer with each passing year.
Daphne said to Gillian Lancaster
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Gillian, I too remember a day when I lived in a neighborhood where everyone knew who I belonged to. If I misbehaved it wasn't unusual for an old lady to come to the house & tell my Dad, in Polish, what I had done. I was expected, then & there, to offer a sincere apology & promise not to do whatever it had been again. Then I got a punishment from my Dad. There was never a question of my defending myself, or denying what I was being accused of. I also remember a day when a lady would enter an elevator & all the men already in the car would automatically remove their hats. When a lady got on the bus, if all the seats were taken a gentleman would get up & give his seat to a lady. What has happened to the "niceities" of civilazation? Well, you can lay a large portion of the blame squarely in the laps of the Women's Libbers. They wanted "equality" so bad that part of the price all of us paid was good manners & being treated with respect. Add that to the "I got mine, I don't care how you're doing." generation & the folks intent on nobody but nobody telling their kids what to do & you've got the receipe for chaos. Simple things like "please" & "thank you" are sorely missing from most vocabularies today. At one of the restaurants we frequent, the waiters have told me that it's a pleasure to wait on me because I'm so polite. Holding a door open for someone has become a lost art. A man standing up when a lady walks into a room has also gone by the boards. You can't teach what you don't know. Just recently I had a chance to spend the weekend with my grandson. He's in the Navy & he had his girlfriend with us who's also in the Navy. I heard him speak to her in a manner that totally shocked me. He called her "stupid", "dumb" & worst of all "retarded". I waited until we had some private time & asked him why he spoke to her in that manner. It was insulting, degrading, & showed him to be an ignorant, ill mannered person. He laughed & said that's how they always talk to each other! I know that he wasn't taught that way at home. However, now he's out in the "big world" & that's the way things have evolved because the vast majority do not know any better & it seems do not care to learn. If young people speak to each other with such total disrespect why should we expect to be treated any different. There's an old saying that I think adequately covers the lack of good manners in today's world: "Stupidity can be cured; ignorance is forever." Daphne Las Vegas, NV
Gillian Lancaster said to Daphne
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How true! It is ironic that 'equality' has lead downwards instead of towards improvement in communal life. Maybe our generation's role now is to be role models for the very roles we wanted to escape 20-30 years ago?
jmarti0050 said to Gillian Lancaster
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I believe respect is not "in vogue" any longer. Everyday I see children running amuck in stores and restaurants and parents oblivious. I was told that children have rights. I had no rights as a child and grew up respectful and turned out "ok". I long for the old days. And it is not the schools' responsiblility to teach them. It should be taught at home!
Gillian Lancaster said to jmarti0050
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I agree with you. Teachers shouldn't have to teach basic social skills, only reinforce them during the school day. It can only be hoped that one of the benefits of the recession will be that parents spend more time with their children. Hopefully this time will lead to a generation who know how to interact with other people in more positive ways.
Peasant said to Gillian Lancaster
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I grew up in a middle class suburb. I remember one prom, held in the next town over that got out of hand. The town's police called the home town police to come in and calm was restored with one threat "I'm going to tell your mother". I guess it was easier when those in authority knew the parents and, what's more, knew that the parents would support the complaint of the authority figure. The other day, I was in the grocery store and a little girl with one of those miniture carts, moved over as soon as she saw that I wouldn't be able to get by. Without thinking, I said thank you and smiled at her. The girl got her mother's attention and, smiling, told her that the lady had thanked her. It's unfortunate that it goes both ways. I've seen so many adults treat children disrespectfully in public. My pet peeve is the failure of people in sevice industries to say "I'm sorry" when they recieve a complaint. I guess they are worried that the person complaining will take the apology for cart blanche in a law suit or something similar. As a waitress, one of the first things I was taught was that if a customer complained, the first words out of your mouth had better be "I'm sorry". There might be times that the second part of he sentence "you're such a jerk" might be thought but left unsaid. An apology clears a lot of bad feelings. I'd settle for "I'm sorry you've had a negative experience here" or something like that. I had an unfortunate experience recently at Walmart, actually several negative experiences in one trip. By the time I complained to a manager I was, admittedly out of control but I never heard an "I'm sorry". All I heard was "It's okay". That missed the point completely. It wasn't okay.
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