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Obama’s Dangerous Health Care Plan [Obama's Microchip MARK] Published by TheVoiceMag June 18th, 2009 in health care

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President, Barack Obama has promised a massive change to “modernize health care by making all health records standardized and electronic.” Part of his ambitious health care program will be the computerizing of medical records of all Americans in order to make the health care process more cost-effective. — the VeriChip Corp., the US company creating microchip implants — The company’s executives have said their present push is the tagging of “high-risk” patients — diabetics and people with heart conditions or Alzheimer’s disease. — According to the company’s most recent SEC quarterly filing, 515 hospitals have pledged to take part in the VeriMed network — In early September, up to 200 Alzheimer’s patients living in the Palm Beach, Florida area were implanted with the microchip by the company VeriChip absolutely free. — People are already lining up for the VeriChip — there have been rumors on Wall Street, and elsewhere, of the potential uses for RFID in humans: the chipping of U.S. soldiers, of inmates, or of migrant workers, to name a few — Opponents believe the government is choosing the most vulnerable citizens for the initial implants — Alzheimer’s patients, the handicapped, retarded, the elderly — but eventually every human being in the US, Mexico and Canada will be required to have the microchip implants if only to keep track of them and their activities. The Whole Story…

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78 Responses

  1. She Cat She Cat says

    Big brother at it’s best.  Or is that at it’s worst????  I doubt this will ever get off the ground, and yet I don’t doubt they will try their hardest to pass this through….

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  2. Debi Drecksler Debi Drecksler says

    Very scary! I don’t want anything implanted under my skin!

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  3. Dallas Lady Dallas Lady says

    The Electronic Health Record is a GREAT thing, although I understand it scares people of Big Brother.  But it will allow for all your disparate records to be in ONE place.  In case of emergency on vacation,  the doctor in Brazil should be able to access your records and no what your  medications are, what tests have been run, what the results are, etc.  It will reduce duplication (because specialists, primary care, etc. often DONT talk to each other –shocking), and it will speak for when you can’t speak for yourself.   Real time.  Across timezones and geographies.  No more waiting for return calls.    It will show what medications you are allergic to.  It will tell that Brazilian doctor that you are on cumidin and could bleed to death very easily if he operates.    Imagine what savings and improved medical outcomes it can generate. 

    Now I dont necessiairily want a chip under my skin either.  But can I carry around a credit card or disk with this info? Sure……but what if I lose it or forget it?  What if I dont have it when it is needed?

    There are tremendous positives to be gained here if we can get beyond the understandable concerns.  The attached link shows what the BENEFITS are of an EHR:

    http://patients.about.com/od/electronicpatientrecords/a/EMRbenefits.htm

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    • Generic Image Scuba P says

      If cancelling the Bush tax cuts extension will pay for this – then I’m all for it! 

      You do hear me laughing right?  And where have you been……huh?

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      • Dallas Lady Dallas Lady says

        ROFL.  The EHR boost is one of the few things in that god forsaken HCR bill I actually applauded.  

        Where have I been?  I needed a break (in more ways than one, feel free to read between the lines).  Then I went out of town for a few days for R&R, then i had to pay the piper at work for not being at work.

         

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    • Generic Image KGrandma says

      Hallelujah I say yet again, dear DL, for the sensible, logical, rational response. I am so tired of all the paranoid drivel that is masquerading as news today . . . knee jerk fear rather than studied, researched responses are making me even crabbier than usual.

      People have implants of many varieties, from boobs to heart valves, from replaced hips to new cheek bones. Cadaver ligaments, silicone, metal, plastic, bone . . . it all works toward trying to improve length/quality of life, and this chip is not some government plot to turn us into robots. I went to a pain specialist for help with my back the other day, and absolutely could not recall a lot of the information he wanted and needed in order to treat me effectively. I’d completely forgotten that I’d gone to a physical therapist, for example, but he managed to find that out from an old record that had been forwarded. How much better if everything had simply been with me in chip form.

      I apologize if I seem to have overreacted to this. I read Denialism a while back and I’ve watched so many children become vulnerable to diseases that we’d thought were gone due to all the new Hollywood-endorsed fear of vaccines, and I just came from that thread. I should probably have taken a nap instead.

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      • Dallas Lady Dallas Lady says

        And while I’m at this kumbayuh stuff with folks I usually disagree with…check out NO LABELS.

        While many of us disagree, I believe that most of us belong here, because we all do CARE about this wonderful country of ours:

        http://nolabels.org/about-us/declaration/

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      • ThurmanLady ThurmanLady says

        They should have used an eagle.  How dare they use a buffalo?  My Native American guy might not like that. ;)

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      • Generic Image Scuba P says

        Hey you, I do like the “no labels” concept, but do you know which group is behind it?  I don’t like giving my address to just anybody you know….afterall, it might be that new underground group, Progressives for Oklahoma Sharia!

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      • Dallas Lady Dallas Lady says

        Haha. Actually Mark McKinnon is affiliated with it. Bright guy. Love him. And I guarantee he isn’t with Progressives for Oklahoma Sharia! Too funny…..

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    • She Cat She Cat says

      I am not against Electronic Health Record. I think it’s a great idea, and needed…. What I am against is anyone telling me that I HAVE to have a chip implanted under my skin, to accomplish this.  It’s still MY BODY to do what I want with.  When someone TELLS me that I will have to have this implant, then MY RIGHTS have just been violated.

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      • Dallas Lady Dallas Lady says

        Fine.  But dont expect me or olthers to pay for the result of your medical complications because you didn’t comply because of your “rights”.  Because my rights are if you are stupid, I dont have t pay for it as a result.

        Sorry–but that’s how I feel.  it is easy to be all “big brother” here.  But ths is a GOOD thing in the big scheme of life, if you just trust the good it can bring.

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      • Generic Image KGrandma says

        Oh, man, thank you. I thought I was the crabbiest woman on VN today, and now I feel like I’m probably in good company.

        Also, I signed the nolabels thing and posted it on Facebook. That after flying 3000 miles for the Rally to Restore Sanity, which for me was similar.

        xoxoxox

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      • Dallas Lady Dallas Lady says

        LOL.  I’m not crabby–I’m really in a great mood today.  I’m just not for being politically correct.  And I’m not for being mean out of spite either.

        Just honest with what’s real to me, today, on Monday, November 15th, 2010.

         

        Tomorrow is another day.

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      • Generic Image KGrandma says

        Good to know. Because I really AM. I think tomorrow, 11/16, will probably be a better day.

        I don’t think I was mean out of spite, though? I was just OVER all the conspiracy theorists with no evidence beyond some “expert” on the Internet.

        Cranky, not spiteful. I hope.

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      • Dallas Lady Dallas Lady says

        Hey for the record: I wasn’t accusing anyone of being spiteful. Merely expressing my personal goals for how to post yesterday! Hope Tuesday, Nov 16 th is a better day for you. I’m off to work, to earn my keep and pay my taxes haha

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      • Generic Image Scuba P says

        DL, I think it’s a fine idea too, but as you said….”if you just trust the good it can bring.”  It can bring good for sure…..but I have a hard time trusting a government run by slimy, crooked politicians who undermine the good people of this country everyday.  What if, along with my medical history, they somehow program me to turn in my guns!

        Are u still laughing?

         

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      • Dallas Lady Dallas Lady says

        If they program you to turn in your guns, then that means they can program me to actually vote for BO in the next election, right? Roflmao

        When pigs fly. To both of those!!!!

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      • Generic Image Scuba P says

        OMG……you mean….they really can…..make me vote in 2012 for Obama?  Oh, hell no…I’m never getting that damn thing implanted….Wait….be quiet…someone’s at the door…..Oh no IT’S… ACORN and they want to implant me right now….HELLLLLLP!

        I’m back now Dallas, and I agree that the chip is perfectly logical.  And guess what….it didn’t even hurt.  Oh, by the way, Van Jones and I would like to register you for the New Democratic Party?  

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      • Dallas Lady Dallas Lady says

        ROFLMAO~!!!

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      • She Cat She Cat says

        My so called stupidity isn’t the topic of this conversation, and I find your remark a bit on the agressive side.  That’s ok, you are entitled to your opinion, I just don’t have to agree with it, and I won’t stup to your level.

        Yes, you will have to pay if I choose NOT to have this so called chip inserted, it’s called paying your taxes. 

        I also refuse to trust a government that has not shown itself to be trustworthy over and over again…..

        Case in point…..http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/09/government_to_r.html 

        I wonder if they ever did review this, and changed it?????  This is just one of MANY things our governmet has done through the years WITHOUT our consent.  Do I trust them???  Hell NO!!!!!

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      • Dallas Lady Dallas Lady says

        I work in a field that supports healthcare and I totally get the importance and value of this. I encourage everyone to educate yourself on the issues.

        Actually If you choose not to comply–then I’ll vote, advocate do whatever to make sure you pay more for healthcare than I do. Ditto if you smoke, are obese, etc. Your poor choices should hit your pocketbook not mine.

        Did you get immuniZed as a child to go to school? Did you I munize your kids? Not too much difference here…..

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      • She Cat She Cat says

        Yes, I was immunized as a child, as was my daughter growing up.  There is a huge difference between from stopping deadly virus that kills to being implanted with something that the government sees fit to inject into us that may or may not be what they say it is….. There are many other ways of carrying medical information other than being micro chipped like a dog…..I am not lost, and should I get lost, please don’t bother to find me, I am enjoying myself,!!!!!!

        In today’s world, and being an adult, I will choose what I want injected into me.  I am informed, I read and keep updated on things and I can make an educated decision.  I also chose NOT to have the Flu/H1N1shot last either, and will not participate again this year.  I believe that there are ways to avoid the flu, other than the shot.  So far, I have NEVER had the flu…..

        So feel free to stand in line, roll up your sleeve, and become one of the chipped people.  Me, I will do what I have always done…….

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      • Peggy Davis Peggy Davis says

        I’m with you, we are not cattle and I for one refuse to be treated as such. The Jews did what the Germans told them to do without question and look what happened to them. 

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      • Peggy Davis Peggy Davis says

        Here something you might want to know. Also I’m with you, my huband and I have also not ever had the flu nor taken the flu shoot. I feel we may have made a wise choose. Read this:

         

        Influenza Vaccine:

         

        • Influenza rarely kills healthy people under age 65 and natural immunity protects younger people during future influenza outbreaks.

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        • 80% of all flu-like illness reported during the flu season is not caused by influenza

        • Most influenza studies are poorly designed and have NOT demonstrated influenza vaccine is effective or safe.

        2 but by other viruses and bacteria.3 4

        • Influenza transmission can be prevented or reduced in home and health care settings with hand washing, masking, and separating sick and healthy persons.

        5 6

        • Like all pharmaceutical products, influenza vaccine carries health risks that can be greater for some than others.

        7

        • Surveys reveal that 60-70% of Americans do not want to get a flu shot even in pandemic years

        8 9 and more than 50% of American parents are concerned about vaccine safety in general. 10

        • Studies reveal that 60% of health care professionals do not want to get influenza shots and are concerned about the vaccine’s ineffectiveness and side effects.

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        • Threatening and forcing Americans to get vaccinated, including firing health care workers who refuse flu shots,

        12 will further erode public trust in vaccines and public health policies. 13 14 15

        • The tax dollars spent to purchase, distribute and enforce use of flu shots will guarantee big profits for drug companies but will not guarantee a healthier population.

        16 17 18

        MORE FLU FACTS

        1. Between 5% and 20% of Americans may experience type A or type B influenza in an average flu season and the majority have uncomplicated cases and develop immunity to the strains they were infected with that lasts for several years or longer.

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        2. Out of 308 million Americans, CDC estimates that about 12,000 deaths were associated with influenza in 2009, a pandemic year.

        20

        3. Influenza-related deaths usually involve bacterial pneumonia complications, which rarely occur in healthy children and adults.

        21

        4. Influenza viruses constantly evolve and, depending upon the year, the flu shot may or may not contain the influenza strains associated with most reported influenza cases.

        22

        5. The 2009 pandemic H1N1 “swine flu” vaccine and the 2010/11 seasonal influenza vaccine containing the pandemic H1N1 component have generated increased reports of Guillain Barre syndrome (GBS), Bell’s Palsy, and idiopathic thrombocytopenia purpura (ITP);

        23 convulsions 24 25 and narcolepsy.

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        Simonsen L., Clarke MJ et al. 1998. Pandemic versus Epidemic Influenza Mortality: A Pattern of Changing Age Distribution. Journal of Infectious Diseases. http://195.134.113.71/hygiene/images/simonsen%20jif%201998.pdf

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        FDA. Feb. 20, 2003. Vaccines & Related Biological Products Advisory Committee Meeting Transcript. 

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        Jefferson T. 2006. Influenza vaccination: policy versus evidence. British Medical Journal. http://www.bmj.com/content/333/7574/912.full

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        Jefferson T., Debalini MG et al. 2009. Relation of study quality, concordance, take home message, funding, and impact in studies of influenza vaccines; systematic review. British Medical Journal. http://www.nvic.org/Downloads/Jeffersonetal-BMJ2009.aspx

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        Enstone J. 2010. Influenza transmission and related infection control issues. Introduction to Pandemic Influenza (pp. 57-72). CABI. 

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        Centers for Disease Control. 2008. State-Specific Influenza Vaccine Coverage Among Adults – US. 2006-07 Influenza Season. MMWR. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/581508

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        King WD, Woolhandler SJ et al. 2006. Influenza Vaccination and Health Care Workers in the U.S. Journal of General Internal Medicine. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1484661/

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        Offit P. 2010. Mandating Influenza Vaccine: One Hospital’s Experience. Medscape. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/728352

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        ACLU. 2009. NYCLU Urges Public Education and Voluntary Vaccine for H1N1 Flu, Warns Vaccine Mandate Violates Privacy Rights. http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/nyclu-urges-public-education-and-voluntary-vaccine-h1n1-flu-warns-vaccine-man

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        Testimony by Donna Lieberman. http://www.nyclu.org/files/Flu_Testimony_10.13.09.pdf

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        Protecting health and informed consent rights since 1982

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      • Generic Image Stevie says

        I’ve had the flu only twice in my life so the flu vaccine is not something I would normally get.  However, when my daughter had cancer and when my father entered a nursing home, I got the flu shot for them.  I think when one is in regular contact with people whose immune system may be compromised by illness or other frailties, getting the vaccine is a small price to pay for their safety.

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      • Generic Image Scuba P says

        I agree….it’s like the government telling us we have to buy health care or else be fined.  I don’t remember that in the Federalist Papers!

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      • ThurmanLady ThurmanLady says

        I think we’re on the same wavelength here.  I’d already responded to She Cat (just below) and was going to respond to “if you just trust the good it can bring” also, but you already said it all.

        Maybe our chips are meshing? ♥

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      • Generic Image Scuba P says

        Let’s hope the chips don’t report where we live!

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      • Dallas Lady Dallas Lady says

        Don’t worry ladies, the cookies on your computers and your IP address es already have your physical addresses loaded in the CIAs monitoring program, look outside–see that unmarked black car at the curb?….. ;-) haha

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      • ThurmanLady ThurmanLady says

        That gives cookies a bad name… and I like cookies, especially the big, soft, sugar ones. :)

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      • ThurmanLady ThurmanLady says

        That’s much the same way I feel about being told I must buy government health insurance – only it’s not my body, but my money. ♥

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      • Peggy Davis Peggy Davis says

        I don’t have health insurance and It’s because we don’t have the money and if I am told I have to get health insurance or be fined, I don’t know what we’ll do. If I had the money for health insurance I would already have it. All we owe on is our house and our payments are like 371 a month and as you know you can’t even rent for less. My husband is the only one working, because I have really bad back problems. With buying groceries and utilities it take all he make to pay the bills as it is. The only thing left is if we stop eating. To start with it is stupid to think that people just don’t get insurance because they don’t want to. I’m sure that at our age everyone would love to have insurance if we could afford it, but we can’t.

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      • ThurmanLady ThurmanLady says

        I’m in rather the same boat – I lost my job in January 2008; can’t afford health insurance on unemployment.  Now I’ve exhausted unemployment and still haven’t found a job.  And, it’s just me – no one to help.  I’m not to sure what’s happening starting this week… But I’m fine today.  It’s a good time to live one day at a time! ♥

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      • Peggy Davis Peggy Davis says

        That’s always been my motto.

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    • watruw8ing4 watruw8ing4 says

      Bears have stopped shitting in the woods, a new Baptist Pope has been elected, and pigs have requested permission to land at DFW.   And what else am I missing? Oh yeah, I agree totally.

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      • Dallas Lady Dallas Lady says

        ROFL.  See, there is common ground, W……if you keep seeking you will find it…..

         

        Happy Monday.

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    • ThurmanLady ThurmanLady says

      Ah, DL.  Once again, in a rare instance, we disagree.  I don’t have a problem with a central database with my medical records knowing that only a select few can access it, but I don’t want to walk around with a chip in me to have more than that select few being able to access it.  I understand it from your point of view working in the medical field, but I still don’t want it.

      The government is doing way too much interfering in my life already, telling me that I must have their health insurance and a myriad of other things – now they may want me to have an implanted chip.  Remember when our SS numbers were not going to be used for identification? (Why does my old social security card say it can’t be used as ID?)  Now it’s basically our ID.  Next, the chip will be our ID.

      Yes, it sounds more and more like Big Brother – and that’s even before they think about implanting chips! ♥

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      • Generic Image Scuba P says

        Look at the bright side TL, if you’re ever separated from your owner, you’ll be scanned and reunited in no time!

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      • ThurmanLady ThurmanLady says

        My ‘owner’ would have to be the US government and I wouldn’t want to be reunited! ♥

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      • Dallas Lady Dallas Lady says

        The EHR and its immediate access to any authorized care provider is the issue over the chip. I’m not crazy about the chip itself either, but then again as i’ve pointed out, we’ve all likely already done the immunizations. Who k ows what REALLY was in this vaccines, hhhhhmmmmmmm????? (ok I’m being tongue in cheek). If there is a viable, timely affordable alternative to the chip I’m all for that. But most of all…..I’m for the EHR.

        Likely the reason for the chip….to reduce bad IDs. Do you know how often patients are ID’d wrong? Correct patient ID is a huge issue in healthcare…….just FYI….

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      • watruw8ing4 watruw8ing4 says

        Not crazy about the chip. But I keep thinking about medical conditions too. Like allergies. My daughter is badly allergic to penicillin. There’s also latex, iodine, eggs and other substances used in medical testing and treatment that cause bad reactions. If someone is incapacitated, a chip could save a life.

        Agree that ID is a serious issue. In 4 hours at the hospital in September, I was asked my name, my address, my phone number, and my birth date about a dozen times (not exaggerating). Not one procedure was done, not one specialist , nurse or aide even talked to me about my injury,  until they compared my answers to my chart, including simply wheeling my up to xray. A chip would have been a nice thing. Walk in , scan me, then do your thing. Glad I was conscious. But I was getting hoarse towards the end. :-)

         

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      • Dallas Lady Dallas Lady says

        The reason they asked that often is as a double safe guard. It’s taught to them in school now, and as part of every training class. (I work in the admin said of health education). Caregivers are taught to confirm ID 2 x before EVERY procedure, every med delivery etc. Annoying, time consuming, and subject to busman error (hearing loss, mindlessly going thru the motions without fully being in the present, etc). And they do it because of how many mistakes are made….

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      • Generic Image Scuba P says

        The Red Cross does the same thing when I give platelets…..except now they ask me for my gender!

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      • Peggy Davis Peggy Davis says

        This is what I’m concerned about more. They may be just trying to get their foot in th e door. We all know what can happen after that. There’s no stopping them after that. Think how Hitler started. After he got his plan in motion it took alot of deaths before he was stopped. The Pope was his first chess move. Is this only the first move?

         

        Planned future uses for VeriChip include a variety of financial, security, defense, homeland security and secure-access applications.  ASDX sees its product as “tamper-proof personal identification” for use in credit card and ATM access, airport security, and port congestion management, as well as admission to military bases, government installations, and private-sector buildings. The system is marketed as a stand-alone product or for use in conjunction with biometric devices.  ASDX has started a marketing campaign under the slogan “Get Chipped”, that includes a traveling van called the “ChipMobile”.

        VeriChip Corporation is a wholly owned subsidiary of Applied Digital Solutions, Inc (ASDX).  According to a recent report filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, ASDX “focuses on a range of life enhancing, personal safeguard technologies, early warning alert systems, miniaturized power sources and security monitoring systems combined with the comprehensive data management services required to support them”. ASDX customers include several federal agencies, such as Departments of Defense, Agriculture, and Justice, the Social Security Administration, the Veterans Administration and the United States Postal Service, as well as the insurance, utility, communications, and high tech industries.

        News

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      • ThurmanLady ThurmanLady says

        Thanks; I agree with you for the most part.  At least with my name, I’m one of a kind. :)

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      • Generic Image Scuba P says

        ID’d wrong….don’t tell me that when I’m having surgery in three weeks!

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    • BamaLover BamaLover says

      Keep on drinking the Kool-Aid hon, that’s just what they want you to think.

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      • Dallas Lady Dallas Lady says

        ROFLMAO.  Sorry–I know more about the ins/outs of the healthcare field so I know how important the EHR is.  It is critical to improving healthcare…CRITICAL.  I’m not crazy about a chip, but I am crazy about the EHR.  And the chip may well be the best way to MAXIMIZE the value of that EHR.  Id rather not be chipped but I’m healthy as a horse, but bluntly if I were to hav serious health issues were having immediate and accurate access to all my records in a blink of an eye is critical–and they must be ACCURATE and not confused with another Dallas Lady–well then I’ll be glad to have that chip.

        Sorry, Im just not some huge conspiracy theorist.  First of all–I governemnt is THAT smart.  Besides, as far as being a conspiracy theorist–  Apparently there arent too many openings for that role around here anyway. 

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  4. grannyinlongjohns grannyinlongjohns says

    It would be a cold day in hell before anyone would stick a chip in me.  It would be just another intrusion into our privacy.  If you have ever been treated for a mental issue or a STD it could be highly embarrassing.  As a person who has survived mental illness I have seen the disgust of even psychiatrists towards mental illness survivors.  There are some things I just don’t want to be part of the equation when I seek health care.  If I get an infection and my regular doctor is unavailable I don’t want the fact that I am a mental health survivor to be part of the equation of getting treated.  The potential for abuse is tremendous.  Mental patients are stigmatized.  When I was in a crisis unit a few years ago because I bottomed out (my daughter was on drugs) I was brutalized by a security guard who tore my coat off and shoved me into a chair for pulling out a package of gum.  He thought it was cigarettes.  Didn’nt apologize – just threw the coat back at me with a curt “I’m just doing my job”.  I was so humiliated and this security guard left bruises on my arm.   I don’t trust the medical system.  It’s full of bigots where mental disease is concerned.  I have enough trouble maintaining a healthy mind without the disgust of ignorant medical professionals.

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    • Peggy Davis Peggy Davis says

      As I have said, man has always had tunnel vision and they might not not realize how bad this could be. Also as a strong believer in God and the Bible what if this turns out to be like the mark of the beast? I’m not saying it is, but after it is done what if you fine out under lying reprocussions. They are talking about using it to buy and sell things too and that sounds like what is spook of in the bible. I know it sounds crazy, but I would rather not take the chance myself. I would rather make sure I know all the facts. That was the main reason I posted this was to make sure everyone knew so they could make their own decision.  

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      • Generic Image KGrandma says

        There is one statement in your comment that rings very true: “I know it sounds crazy . . . “

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      • ThurmanLady ThurmanLady says

        Peggy, I was going to add that very subject to this thread.  While I have no idea if Biblical prophesy can seriously be interpreted that way, I’ve known for many years that an implanted chip has been the subject of speculation.  http://www.countdown.org/666.htm

        I knew the subject would be fair game in the ‘crazy’ department, but I also know that it’s not a bad thing if people are at least aware of what they might hear, since there are many more serious type Christians who wonder the very same thing. ♥

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      • Ata Ata says

        Yes, Thurman Lady, I was thinking the very same ….The idea for the chip implant is very practical and therefore reasonable to most ppl. How did the Bible prophets know something like this will happen in the future? I’ve struggled with this for a while now. I’m going to check the above link now, thanks for posting it.

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      • ThurmanLady ThurmanLady says

        As technology has advanced, ideas and interpretations have changed.  What was said about having the number stamped on our hand or forehead and not being able to buy or sell without it makes more sense in a technological world.  That doesn’t mean the chip is it, but it does give one an idea of how it could possibly happen. ♥

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      • Peggy Davis Peggy Davis says

        I don’t care if they call me crazy or not, I want to know for sure before I commit to anything like this. Yes, I am a christian. They called Noah crazy too and you see how that turned out. 

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    • anir anir says

      I agree with you that there is sometimes stigmatising in the health care profession as it relates to people who have had, or have, psychological problems.  I have personnally been a witness to this from people coming into the emergency ward and the personnel treating them differently because their medical history relates the fact that they have had mental issues.  A patient is a patient, and should be treated for the symptoms they are experiencing in the moment, irregardless of the psychiatric problems he/she might have.

      Maybe there would be a way for you to only have the information you want other health care workers to have access to inculded on the chip.   With the technology that is out there, I am sure this can be done.

      The chip could certainly be an invaluable tool in the speed of which people, in need of medical care, would be helped.

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    • Generic Image KGrandma says

      My sister had severe bipolar disorder and eventually committed suicide. She endured a great deal of the kind of discrimination that you describe, especially and most dramatically in attempting to receive benefits under SSI. The chip, I think, might have helped her a great deal, because when she was having a psychotic break, she had no way to tell people who she was, what her problem was, what her history was, or anything else that might have helped. Sometimes we found her because someone was able to locate us through something she had in her purse or whatever & then we’d go and see what we could do — but we never had all the information. None of us knew all of it, none of us knew all the meds she’d been on, stayed on, or stopped. The various hospitals where she ended up didn’t have any way to know what they were dealing with. When she was bad, she sometimes drank, so she was assumed to be a drunk or a druggie on a binge and was thrown in drunk tanks or locked wards. One of my other sisters found her huddled, screaming, up under a sink in a locked ward in a hospital we’d never known existed. She weighed maybe 80 pounds at the time, and the doctors were at a loss about how to help her. They usually just drugged her into a stupor.

      So a chip might have done a lot of good. If they could have scanned it, seen what had helped before, seen who she was, who to call — I don’t know. I just know that the way it was DEFINITELY didn’t work. Prejudice? You bet. She was routinely treated as if her behavior was purposeful. Our mother was particularly vicious. Would a chip make it worse? I don’t know. You pretty much have to reveal all that stuff to your medical professionals anyway if you want to get thorough care, don’t you?

      In any case, I am confident that you will never be forced to have a chip inserted, and I’d do everything in my power to fight for your right to NOT have one. I just think that it’s possible that it could save you in a crisis.

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  5. aznikki aznikki says

    I am totally in favor of the chip for SOME , if they WANT it.  My youngest son has CP and is epileptic, sure he has the info in his wallet but not all the drugs he has to take and has taken, the operations he’s had etc… He would not know his history if asked.  Same with Alzheimer patients. Suppose you’re in an accident, you’re unconscious and you have a condition which requires regular meds….so many instances like these where a chip would probably save lives.  I would go ahead and have the chip implanted if it was available but I certainly would never agree that people have it done against their will. HOWEVER, if it was proven that the chip was cost effective then I would say in all fairness “your RIGHT to not have the chip implanted but my RIGHT not to have to pay the extra cost”.  I feel the same way about mandatory health insurance, if you don’t want it that’s OK with me but if your not wanting it is going to  cost me money, NO NO!! People choose not to wear seatbelts, are ejected from the car…their choice I say but I’m not picking up the tab, same for motorcyclists not wearing a helmet etc… I’d better stop now or I’m going to be ranting  LOL

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    • Peggy Davis Peggy Davis says

      VeriChip

      EPIC Urges Privacy Safeguards for RFID, Copyright Technology. In comments to the Article 29 Working Group, an association of leading European privacy officials, EPIC has recommended strong safeguards for RFIDs and techniques to track the use of digital works. EPIC’s Comments on RFID (pdf) recommend a prohibition on ” chipping” people and warn that unencrypted RFID passports pose significant security risks. EPIC’s Comments on Digital Rights Management (pdf), submitted in collaboration with the Yale Law School Information Society Project, focus on the intersection of copyright protection and user privacy. (Apr. 1, 2005)

      FDA Privacy Warning: Donna-Bea Tillman, Director, Office of Device Evaluation, Center for Devices and Radiological Health, Food and Drug Administration, was quoted in the Privacy Times (Vol. 24 Number 19, Oct. 20, 2004) as saying that:

      “…by agreeing to have chip implanted, the understanding would be that a patient has tacitly agreed to make information [stored in the VeriChip] available to someone with a reader,” she said, adding that the potential for unauthorized medical records access “is an issue.”

      Introduction

      The VeriChip Personal Identification System is a small radio frequency identification device (RFID) that is implanted into the human body.  VeriChip raises the same privacy issues as RFID tags.

      VeriChip is marketed as a universal means of identification, intended for use in a variety of settings, including financial and transportation security, residential and commercial building access, and military and government security. For an initial “chipping” fee, as well as a monthly $9.95 subscription fee, customers’ arms are implanted with a glass chip about the size of a grain of rice, containing a unique verification number.  When activated by a VeriChip scanner, that number is emitted by a small radio frequency, providing instant access to information logged in the Global VeriChip Subscriber (GVS) Registry.

      On October 12, 2004, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved VeriChip for medical applications in the United States.  The approval will allow VeriChip to be used to confirm identity, and check the blood type, potential allergies and medical history of unconscious patients.  The device is subject to Class II special controls to mitigate potential risks identified by the FDA, which include adverse tissue reaction, electromagnetic interference, and        magnetic resonance imaging incompatibility.

      • Process: How VeriChip Works, VeriChip Corporation.
      • Letter from Donna Bea-Tillman, Phd., Director, Office of Device Evaluation, Center for Devices and Radiological Health, to James Santelli, Vice President, Finance and Chief Financial Office, Digital Angel Corporation 1 (October 12, 2004).

      In March 2004, a nightclub in Barcelona began using VeriChip as a sort of embedded VIP card for its customers.  Patrons of the Baja Beach Club can pay 125 Euros to have the chip implanted, then use it to bypass entry lines and keep track of bar tabs.

      Planned future uses for VeriChip include a variety of financial, security, defense, homeland security and secure-access applications.  ASDX sees its product as “tamper-proof personal identification” for use in credit card and ATM access, airport security, and port congestion management, as well as admission to military bases, government installations, and private-sector buildings. The system is marketed as a stand-alone product or for use in conjunction with biometric devices.  ASDX has started a marketing campaign under the slogan “Get Chipped”, that includes a traveling van called the “ChipMobile”.

      VeriChip Corporation is a wholly owned subsidiary of Applied Digital Solutions, Inc (ASDX).  According to a recent report filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, ASDX “focuses on a range of life enhancing, personal safeguard technologies, early warning alert systems, miniaturized power sources and security monitoring systems combined with the comprehensive data management services required to support them”. ASDX customers include several federal agencies, such as Departments of Defense, Agriculture, and Justice, the Social Security Administration, the Veterans Administration and the United States Postal Service, as well as the insurance, utility, communications, and high tech industries.

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    • Peggy Davis Peggy Davis says

      The problem is will it stop with health care? This is the part I’m worried about:

      Planned future uses for VeriChip include a variety of financial, security, defense, homeland security and secure-access applications.  ASDX sees its product as “tamper-proof personal identification” for use in credit card and ATM access, airport security, and port congestion management, as well as admission to military bases, government installations, and private-sector buildings. The system is marketed as a stand-alone product or for use in conjunction with biometric devices.  ASDX has started a marketing campaign under the slogan “Get Chipped”, that includes a traveling van called the “ChipMobile”.

      VeriChip Corporation is a wholly owned subsidiary of Applied Digital Solutions, Inc (ASDX).  According to a recent report filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, ASDX “focuses on a range of life enhancing, personal safeguard technologies, early warning alert systems, miniaturized power sources and security monitoring systems combined with the comprehensive data management services required to support them”. ASDX customers include several federal agencies, such as Departments of Defense, Agriculture, and Justice, the Social Security Administration, the Veterans Administration and the United States Postal Service, as well as the insurance, utility, communications, and high tech industries.

      News

      The goverment are always hiding the bad inside a good bill. They do it everyday, why should this be any different?

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  6. Generic Image Rose2 says

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/microchip.asp

     urban myth spread by the control by fear mongers.

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    • She Cat She Cat says

      Not so sure that snopes is a credible source.  Read these articles…..

      http://epic.org/privacy/rfid/verichip.html

      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6237364/

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      • Alicia Alicia says

        No chips for me, thanks…..am on a diet :) :)

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      • Peggy Davis Peggy Davis says

        FDA approves computer chip for humans
        Devices could help doctors with stored medical information

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        The VeriChip, the size of a grain of rice, is inserted under the skin with a needle in a procedure that takes less than 20 minutes to complete.

        The Associated Press
        updated 10/13/2004 6:38:52 PM ET 2004-10-13T22:38:52

        WASHINGTON — Medical milestone or privacy invasion? A tiny computer chip approved Wednesday for implantation in a patient’s arm can speed vital information about a patient’s medical history to doctors and hospitals. But critics warn that it could open new ways to imperil the confidentiality of medical records.

        The Food and Drug Administration said Wednesday that Applied Digital Solutions of Delray Beach, Fla., could market the VeriChip, an implantable computer chip about the size of a grain of rice, for medical purposes.

        With the pinch of a syringe, the microchip is inserted under the skin in a procedure that takes less than 20 minutes and leaves no stitches. Silently and invisibly, the dormant chip stores a code that releases patient-specific information when a scanner passes over it.

        Think UPC code. The identifier, emblazoned on a food item, brings up its name and price on the cashier’s screen.

        Chip’s dual uses raise alarm
        The VeriChip itself contains no medical records, just codes that can be scanned, and revealed, in a doctor’s office or hospital. With that code, the health providers can unlock that portion of a secure database that holds that person’s medical information, including allergies and prior treatment. The electronic database, not the chip, would be updated with each medical visit.

        The microchips have already been implanted in 1 million pets. But the chip’s possible dual use for tracking people’s movements — as well as speeding delivery of their medical information to emergency rooms — has raised alarm.

        “If privacy protections aren’t built in at the outset, there could be harmful consequences for patients,” said Emily Stewart, a policy analyst at the Health Privacy Project.

        To protect patient privacy, the devices should reveal only vital medical information, like blood type and allergic reactions, needed for health care workers to do their jobs, Stewart said.

        An information technology guru at Detroit Medical Center, however, sees the benefits of the devices and will lobby for his center’s inclusion in a VeriChip pilot program.

        “One of the big problems in health care has been the medical records situation. So much of it is still on paper,” said David Ellis, the center’s chief futurist and co-founder of the Michigan Electronic Medical Records Initiative.

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        ‘Part of the future of medicine’
        As “medically mobile” patients visit specialists for care, their records fragment on computer systems that don’t talk to each other.

        “It’s part of the future of medicine to have these kinds of technologies that make life simpler for the patient,” Ellis said. Pushing for the strongest encryption algorithms to ensure hackers can’t nab medical data as information transfers from chip to reader to secure database, will help address privacy concerns, he said.

        The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services on Wednesday announced $139 million in grants to help make real President Bush’s push for electronic health records for most Americans within a decade.

        William A. Pierce, an HHS spokesman, could not say whether VeriChip and its accompanying secure database of medical records fit within that initiative.

        “Exactly what those technologies are is still to be sorted out,” Pierce said. “It all has to respect and comport with the privacy rules.”

        Applied Digital gave away scanners to a few hundred animal shelters and veterinary clinics when it first entered the pet market 15 years ago. Now, 50,000 such scanners have been sold.

        To kickstart the chip’s use among humans, Applied Digital will provide $650 scanners for free at 200 of the nation’s trauma centers.

        Implantation costs $150 to $200
        In pets, installing the chip runs about $50. For humans, the chip implantation cost would be $150 to $200, said Angela Fulcher, an Applied Digital spokeswoman.

        Fulcher could not say whether the cost of data storage and encrypted transmission of medical information would be passed to providers.

        Because the VeriChip is invisible, it’s also unclear how health care workers would know which unconscious patients to scan. Company officials say if the chip use becomes routine, scanning triceps for hidden chips would become second nature at hospitals.

        Ultimately, the company hopes patients who suffer from such ailments as diabetes and Alzheimer’s or who undergo complex treatments, like chemotherapy, would have chips implanted. If the procedure proves as popular for use in humans as in pets, that could mean up to 1 million chips implanted in people. So far, just 1,000 people across the globe have had the devices implanted, very few of them in the United States.

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        The company’s chief executive officer, Scott R. Silverman, is one of a half dozen executives who had chips implanted. Silverman said chips implanted for medical uses could also be used for security purposes, like tracking employee movement through nuclear power plants.

        Such security uses are rare in the United States.

        Meanwhile, the chip has been used for pure whimsy: Club hoppers in Barcelona, Spain, now use the microchip to enter a VIP area and, through links to a different database, speed payment much like a smartcard.

        © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

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      • ThurmanLady ThurmanLady says

        I don’t think we’re supposed to use nasty, 4-letter words on VN… diet is definitely one! ♥

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      • Ata Ata says

        …and this is just one of the reasons WHY we love you so much…your wit and sense of humor!!

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      • ThurmanLady ThurmanLady says

        I’ve wondered more than once about Snopes.  Thank you for letting me know that my wondering was for a reason. ♥

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      • She Cat She Cat says

        You’re welcome.  Snopes is really not that reliable anymore.  There is another site that has more credibility, but for the life of me, I can not remember the name of it.  Post Menopausal moment/brain fart/senior moment, you pick one, I use them all….LOL!!!!!!!…..  If I can think of it, I will send it to you…..

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      • watruw8ing4 watruw8ing4 says

        Snopes was specifically referencing the scare tactics in the email stating that the HCR bill required the implant. On that they were correct.  None of the links supplied on this thread give proof that anyone will be required to use the chip, or that the government is pushing that idea. The pusher is the company who makes the chip, which stands to rake in billions.

        If the government requires anyone to use the chip, aside from pedophiles, rapists and their ilk, I’ll stand behind your right to refuse. 

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      • She Cat She Cat says

        I understand that completely.  My point was that the government has OK’ed the use of these, and we all know that the government doesn’t always TELL people up front what they are doing…..

        Case in point, all of the testing on humans by our government throughout the years….It’s an interesting atricle to read….

        http://www.rense.com/general36/history.htm

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      • Peggy Davis Peggy Davis says

        Yes, has anyone seen Miss Ever’s Boys? It make me want stop and think what this could lead to.

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      • She Cat She Cat says

        Snopes isn’t all that reliable either, and if I can remember the name of a better website for this kind of info, I will post it….

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      • azul azul says

        I like Snopes and have not had any reason to believe it is not reliable.  Could you post your source of that info?    Another site to check for the veracity of urban legends is:

        http://urbanlegends.about.com/

         

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      • watruw8ing4 watruw8ing4 says

        I agree. Snopes always publishes its sources. So if you disagree with their conclusion, you can see where they got it from. They also update withnew information and if it changes their mind, they change their conclusion.

        Urbanlegends is good too. With far fewer pop-ups.

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      • Alicia Alicia says

        Big Brother is bendng over laughing uproriously…puts me in mind of the old Twilight Zone series; so amazingly ahead of its time……

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      • Peggy Davis Peggy Davis says

        This worst than the Twilight Zone:

        A History Of US Secret
        Human Experimentation
        3-25-3

        1931 Dr. Cornelius Rhoads, under the auspices of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Investigations, infects human subjects with cancer cells. He later goes on to establish the U.S. Army Biological Warfare facilities in Maryland, Utah, and Panama, and is named to the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission. While there, he begins a series of radiation exposure experiments on American soldiers and civilian hospital patients.   1932 The Tuskegee Syphilis Study begins. 200 black men diagnosed with syphilis are never told of their illness, are denied treatment, and instead are used as human guinea pigs in order to follow the progression and symptoms of the disease. They all subsequently die from syphilis, their families never told that they could have been treated.   1935 The Pellagra Incident. After millions of individuals die from Pellagra over a span of two decades, the U.S. Public Health Service finally acts to stem the disease. The director of the agency admits it had known for at least 20 years that Pellagra is caused by a niacin deficiency but failed to act since most of the deaths occured within poverty-striken black populations.   1940 Four hundred prisoners in Chicago are infected with Malaria in order to study the effects of new and experimental drugs to combat the disease. Nazi doctors later on trial at Nuremberg cite this American study to defend their own actions during the Holocaust.   1942 Chemical Warfare Services begins mustard gas experiments on approximately 4,000 servicemen. The experiments continue until 1945 and made use of Seventh Day Adventists who chose to become human guinea pigs rather than serve on active duty.   1943 In response to Japan’s full-scale germ warfare program, the U.S. begins research on biological weapons at Fort Detrick, MD.   1944 U.S. Navy uses human subjects to test gas masks and clothing. Individuals were locked in a gas chamber and exposed to mustard gas and lewisite.   1945 Project Paperclip is initiated. The U.S. State Department, Army intelligence, and the CIA recruit Nazi scientists and offer them immunity and secret identities in exchange for work on top secret government projects in the United States.   1945 “Program F” is implemented by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (AEC). This is the most extensive U.S. study of the health effects of fluoride, which was the key chemical component in atomic bomb production. One of the most toxic chemicals known to man, fluoride, it is found, causes marked adverse effects to the central nervous system but much of the information is squelched in the name of national security because of fear that lawsuits would undermine full-scale production of atomic bombs.   1946 Patients in VA hospitals are used as guinea pigs for medical experiments. In order to allay suspicions, the order is given to change the word “experiments” to “investigations” or “observations” whenever reporting a medical study performed in one of the nation’s veteran’s hospitals.   1947 Colonel E.E. Kirkpatrick of the U.S. Atomic Energy Comission issues a secret document (Document 07075001, January 8, 1947) stating that the agency will begin administering intravenous doses of radioactive substances to human subjects.   1947 The CIA begins its study of LSD as a potential weapon for use by American intelligence. Human subjects (both civilian and military) are used with and without their knowledge.   1950 Department of Defense begins plans to detonate nuclear weapons in desert areas and monitor downwind residents for medical problems and mortality rates.   1950 I n an experiment to determine how susceptible an American city would be to biological attack, the U.S. Navy sprays a cloud of bacteria from ships over San Franciso. Monitoring devices are situated throughout the city in order to test the extent of infection. Many residents become ill with pneumonia-like symptoms.   1951 Department of Defense begins open air tests using disease-producing bacteria and viruses. Tests last through 1969 and there is concern that people in the surrounding areas have been exposed.   1953 U.S. military releases clouds of zinc cadmium sulfide gas over Winnipeg, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Fort Wayne, the Monocacy River Valley in Maryland, and Leesburg, Virginia. Their intent is to determine how efficiently they could disperse chemical agents.   1953 Joint Army-Navy-CIA experiments are conducted in which tens of thousands of people in New York and San Francisco are exposed to the airborne germs Serratia marcescens and Bacillus glogigii.   1953 CIA initiates Project MKULTRA. This is an eleven year research program designed to produce and test drugs and biological agents that would be used for mind control and behavior modification. Six of the subprojects involved testing the agents on unwitting human beings.   1955 The CIA, in an experiment to test its ability to infect human populations with biological agents, releases a bacteria withdrawn from the Army’s biological warfare arsenal over Tampa Bay, Fl.   1955 Army Chemical Corps continues LSD research, studying its potential use as a chemical incapacitating agent. More than 1,000 Americans participate in the tests, which continue until 1958.   1956 U.S. military releases mosquitoes infected with Yellow Fever over Savannah, Ga and Avon Park, Fl. Following each test, Army agents posing as public health officials test victims for effects.   1958 LSD is tested on 95 volunteers at the Army’s Chemical Warfare Laboratories for its effect on intelligence.   1960 The Army Assistant Chief-of-Staff for Intelligence (ACSI) authorizes field testing of LSD in Europe and the Far East. Testing of the european population is code named Project THIRD CHANCE; testing of the Asian population is code named Project DERBY HAT.   1965 Project CIA and Department of Defense begin Project MKSEARCH, a program to develop a capability to manipulate human behavior through the use of mind-altering drugs.   1965 Prisoners at the Holmesburg State Prison in Philadelphia are subjected to dioxin, the highly toxic chemical component of Agent Orange used in Viet Nam. The men are later studied for development of cancer, which indicates that Agent Orange had been a suspected carcinogen all along.   1966 CIA initiates Project MKOFTEN, a program to test the toxicological effects of certain drugs on humans and animals.   1966 U.S. Army dispenses Bacillus subtilis variant niger throughout the New York City subway system. More than a million civilians are exposed when army scientists drop lightbulbs filled with the bacteria onto ventilation grates.   1967 CIA and Department of Defense implement Project MKNAOMI, successor to MKULTRA and designed to maintain, stockpile and test biological and chemical weapons.   1968 CIA experiments with the possibility of poisoning drinking water by injecting chemicals into the water supply of the FDA in Washington, D.C.   1969 Dr. Robert MacMahan of the Department of Defense requests from congress $10 million to develop, within 5 to 10 years, a synthetic biological agent to which no natural immunity exists.   1970 Funding for the synthetic biological agent is obtained under H.R. 15090. The project, under the supervision of the CIA, is carried out by the Special Operations Division at Fort Detrick, the army’s top secret biological weapons facility. Speculation is raised that molecular biology techniques are used to produce AIDS-like retroviruses.   1970 United States intensifies its development of “ethnic weapons” (Military Review, Nov., 1970), designed to selectively target and eliminate specific ethnic groups who are susceptible due to genetic differences and variations in DNA.   1975 The virus section of Fort Detrick’s Center for Biological Warfare Research is renamed the Fredrick Cancer Research Facilities and placed under the supervision of the National Cancer Institute (NCI) . It is here that a special virus cancer program is initiated by the U.S. Navy, purportedly to develop cancer-causing viruses. It is also here that retrovirologists isolate a virus to which no immunity exists. It is later named HTLV (Human T-cell Leukemia Virus).   1977 Senate hearings on Health and Scientific Research confirm that 239 populated areas had been contaminated with biological agents between 1949 and 1969. Some of the areas included San Francisco, Washington, D.C., Key West, Panama City, Minneapolis, and St. Louis.   1978 Experimental Hepatitis B vaccine trials, conducted by the CDC, begin in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco. Ads for research subjects specifically ask for promiscuous homosexual men.   1981 First cases of AIDS are confirmed in homosexual men in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco, triggering speculation that AIDS may have been introduced via the Hepatitis B vaccine   1985 According to the journal Science (227:173-177), HTLV and VISNA, a fatal sheep virus, are very similar, indicating a close taxonomic and evolutionary relationship.   1986 According to the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (83:4007-4011), HIV and VISNA are highly similar and share all structural elements, except for a small segment which is nearly identical to HTLV. This leads to speculation that HTLV and VISNA may have been linked to produce a new retrovirus to which no natural immunity exists.   1986 A report to Congress reveals that the U.S. Government’s current generation of biological agents includes: modified viruses, naturally occurring toxins, and agents that are altered through genetic engineering to change immunological character and prevent treatment by all existing vaccines.   1987 Department of Defense admits that, despite a treaty banning research and development of biological agents, it continues to operate research facilities at 127 facilities and universities around the nation.   1990 More than 1500 six-month old black and hispanic babies in Los Angeles are given an “experimental” measles vaccine that had never been licensed for use in the United States. CDC later admits that parents were never informed that the vaccine being injected to their children was experimental.   1994 With a technique called “gene tracking,” Dr. Garth Nicolson at the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, TX discovers that many returning Desert Storm veterans are infected with an altered strain of Mycoplasma incognitus, a microbe commonly used in the production of biological weapons. Incorporated into its molecular structure is 40 percent of the HIV protein coat, indicating that it had been man-made.   1994 Senator John D. Rockefeller issues a report revealing that for at least 50 years the Department of Defense has used hundreds of thousands of military personnel in human experiments and for intentional exposure to dangerous substances. Materials included mustard and nerve gas, ionizing radiation, psychochemicals, hallucinogens, and drugs used during the Gulf War .   1995 U.S. Government admits that it had offered Japanese war criminals and scientists who had performed human medical experiments salaries and immunity from prosecution in exchange for data on biological warfare research.   1995 Dr. Garth Nicolson, uncovers evidence that the biological agents used during the Gulf War had been manufactured in Houston, TX and Boca Raton, Fl and tested on prisoners in the Texas Department of Corrections.   1996 Department of Defense admits that Desert Storm soldiers were exposed to chemical agents.   1997 Eighty-eight members of Congress sign a letter demanding an investigation into bioweapons use & Gulf War Syndrome.   © 1998-2000 Health News Network All Rights Reserved   http://www.healthnewsnet.com/humanexperiments.html

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  7. Generic Image Anonymous says

    IT’S THE BEGENNING OF THE 666

    Revelation 14:9
    And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,

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