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I think we need to find out if in fact Sara really has an education, and it's time for her to show her transcripts. 4 colleges in 6 years is suspect - any type of education is suspect after hearing her speak. Sara - release your college transcripts!
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Good point Tamara.
Let me add one more point here. I cant find a single shred of evidence that BO released his transcripts either. In fact, here is a call from 2009 for him to do so.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/09/obama_should_release_his_trans.html
I googled "Obama released transcripts". Got nothing. Got lots of articles from 2008 about people asking for them, but not a single "hit" to a story about Obama's grades and an actual release of transcripts.
Does anybody reading this have any evidence or links or information about Obama's transcripts?
If so--then please share it with the rest of us.
If not--Shut Up about Palin not releasing hers. I can't stand hypocrisy and this reeks of it.
As I said....I hate hypocrisy.
BO did well in law school -- that is well documented. But that was not the case as an undergraduate. BO has refused to release transcripts from his undergraduate years. According to an article in the Wall Street Journal (click for the link), Obama was not well-known among classmates after he transferred to Columbia. The article quotes a former roommate who states that Obama’s performance improved after he stopped taking drugs (which BO has openly admitted to.)
BO doesn't release his undergrad transcripts. Its hypocritical as all get out to think SP should.
Case closed for good. I am DONE with this abject silliness over SPs under grad record.
I don't think I like being told to "Shut Up" because you did an internet search. And what's not true - are you even allowed to say anything without posting a link to something you feel backs you up and allows you to be rude. Are you saying it's not true that Supreme Court decisions are often politically motivated - or that it's not true that we need balance on the court?? We often see political motivation when we get votes strictly down conservative or liberal lines.
I started this thread asking that Sarah Palin release her college transcripts and Dallas Lady went bonkers. There have been numerous documentaries about Obama's entire background - all of his education - from sitting at the kitchen table with his mom and studying, to going to grade school, high school, college, and law school. His drug use has been discussed extensively, peers interviewed, and what events in life helped him turn things around. Similar info has been released in documentary form and ran on TV repeatedly over several months not only about the Pres but the First Lady's education and background as well. The only record Sarah has to release is her undergrad record so that's what I asked for. It's fair game. There is no hypocrisy. If this thread reeks of anything, it's someone having to divert attention from what the post was about, so they can change the focus of the thread to one of complaining about the President and it has nothing to do with the issue. And lets clarify Google - not finding something in a search, or only finding something from 2008, doesn't mean jack! Google is only a search engine - not a comprehensive lit review.
I dont like hypocrisy. I dont like double speak spin as a backtrack when caught in misrepresenting things. I dont like attacking someone from 20 years ago for being college aged when their own candidate behaved similarly if not worse during the same timeperiod in their lives. I don't like lying about someones PAC donations and saying they pocketed funds.
I don't like discussing it anymore with people who do those things.
You have misrepresented so much on many posts of mine - you react to things said in a very attacking way and interject things about Obama when he's not part of the discussion. Talk about hypocrisy. And what are you - the Sarah Palin police! I don't care what you don't like - you have been very rude and I believe it discourages new people from posting. Jumping on folks and attacking what they have to say because you can't find something on Google, and your demands that someone produce a Google search to your liking, is silly. You won't scare me off. I have never been personal in any type of post to a group because I've never been treated so rudely. So Dallas Lady - YOU SHUT UP - or refrain from saying that to me for having an opinion. And talk about fixation - you might want to ready the book you told me to read - you are fixated with attacking the President to take the focus off any discussion about SP. All candidates for public office have their backgrounds scrutinized and your comments that others have not had this information given out are in error. If someone may become president of the country we have every right to know all about them including what their college years were like, how well they did or didn't do in school, no matter how long ago. If you were running for public office the same scrutiny would apply - doesn't matter who it is - the person can then explain why something was, or wasn't that way at the time. Accusing people of lying, being hypocritical and telling them to shut up is so way out of line for anyone on here no matter how long you have been a member. When you don't like something said you attack personally. Where did I hear things like that before - oh wait, Palin's speeches in Ohio were filled with personal attacks because she didn't like the issues - not the best role model to follow.
You never discussed anything with me - you attacked from the get go.
The only thing I jumped was rumormongering respun as "opinion". Post truths not speculation please. And if you are going to speculate, at least do all of us a favor and post it with a warning: FICTION AHEAD.
1. She has a degree from the University of Idaho.
2. THe university of Idaho acknowledges her as a 1987 alumni on their website.
3. There is aboslutely positively no evdience anywhere that they 'glossed over" anything to grant her a degree. ANd why would they--because they had a time machine and knew that she would be governor one day and they could profit from an affiliation from her??? ROFL
4. Her PAC ran a promotion of receiving a signed autograph of her book in return for a $100 or greater donation to the PAC. This incentivizing offer expired at the end of November.
5. BO never released his undgrad transcripts either because he was known to be a poor student at the time who did drugs. This reflects a questioning young man in his late teens and early 20s....so what?
6. SP is under absolutely positively no obligation to anyone to release her transcripts either. They will likely show a similar patter as BO's. So what, no one cares.
Do not confuse rumormongering trying to refute the above facts with opinion. The line between the 2 is quite clear and doesn't take rocket scientists to see the difference.
This is the last I will ever post on these 2 topics to you Lilly.
Posting and asking for info is not rumor mongering - and you don't get to decide who cares about obtaining info or not - you don't speak for this website. I find you very insulting telling me I have to post something as fiction - but this is typical of your posts. You clearly have no understanding that people can make a request for information - you didn't read my posts - you jumped - started personal joking/attacking. That's your pattern. You are so stuck on taking shots at the president or people who post on here something you don't like- nothing can be discussed unless it's to your liking. Am I missing something - is this your group - and you tell people how they should post, what they should post about. Your above info takes much of my posts out of context. I'm going to continue to ask that Sarah Palin release her transcripts in the future. I have a right to do that - you have no right to try and censor me. I've put up with your personal and inappropriate attacks for days. Re read your own posts about a ton of things over time and think about rumor mongering. And don't tell me I have to find a google post to write an opinion. I can and I will use a totality of information in forming opinions, judgements, etc. It's time for you to back off and stop trying to tell other people if they are accurate or not. Why not stick to posting your own opinions or facts - leave the other poster out of it - refrain in the future from personally attacks. As I said before - I've never been in a group where that happens - it's unbecoming of you to attack. The only reason I spoke back to you as I did was to stop the insults and rude comments. As far as I can tell you don't operate this website. If you look at many posts - it's just the same people. There are a lot of other people who might share their thoughts and ideas if you didn't screen them for what you believe to be ok. This post had nothing to do with the President - you spent your time taking shots at him. Back off from telling me how to post, what I can talk about, personal attacks. I will post on other topics in the future and I won't tolerate attacks by you on any post. Try civility - it goes a long way toward resolving issues.
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This is what opinion sounds like: "I dont think she looks good in blue." "I think she would have been better served completing her term as governor." "I think the Dallas Cowboys will win the super bowl in 2011".
This is what rumormongoring looks like: "I question her degree because she won't release her transcripts." "She pocketed the donations to her personal piggy bank".
That is rumor mongering when you keep saying it despite they have been irrefutably proven to be wrong by data, facts and real information. The University of Idaho acknowledges her as an alumni of 1987. ABC news that broke the non-story said the PAC gave away signed copies of her book in return for a $100+ donation to the PAC.
Yet you continue to attempt to defend your rumormongering as "opinion". Its rumormongering , trying to revise reality and its a blatent disregard of known facts. Its harmful and its unfounded.
Your issues with me are because I called it out. So you are now attempting to make this about me rather than the facts of the matter.
SOrry, it doesnt stick. Think and post whatever you wish about me ; I'll consider the source, look at the source's aforementioned track record for accuracy and "opinions" and give it the consideration it deserves.
In all fairness, I went back and re-read your posts. Have you considered the thought that you may be overly sensitive and projecting your own issues onto those that disagree with you?
Seems that they can't handle the pressure. When it's proven over and over, they want to continue as though nothing has happened. They will soon find out the error of their way. Facts, facts, fact. They never let them get in the way.
I’m still waiting on Obama to produce truthful, authentic proof he is a US citizen. Maybe by the time that politician produces the truth ALL the others will too.
Hold your breath. Please.
Yeah, I'm soo tired of that statement, McCain was the one not born in the US and they never mentioned it. But he's the right color.
McCain's parents were American and he was a dependent. That whole business was started by the left and adopted by the right. Both sides own that one. Simple. The color statement is puzzling to me. I don't care about color. Why do you? What is the right color?
There was never this ado about any President until we had one who was not lily white! That is my reason for statement about color. Don't give me the puzzle, he would not be putting up the fight about his birth place if for any other reason, his mother was American. McCain was born in Panama and Congress had to pass a special act to make it ok for him to run for President - didn't you check that out, just being a dependent was not enough.
I don't know why I get into this, it is beyond belief that people can be shown a birth certificate and can't read it.
There are people who will not turn loose of the fiction about the proof. It's old news. Obama is president. Time to move on. It's moot at this point. As I said above, it was the Dems who brought this up long before Obama in anticipation for Hillary running. The Reps. took it up shamelessly with Obama. Fact.
You are right about how much attention is paid the President. The media is 24/7 now. Any President would have trouble keeping up with all of the instant news. This in fact was one of the subjects I just caught on Fox news/Oreily Factor with Newt G. It was also stated that 70% of the people watch Fox news over the other news channels. Right now, Obama has a 30% approval rating. So, based on that, it's safe to say that many Dems are not in his playing field anymore. The Independents are also swinging to the right. Things change all the time so I don't regard numbers like religion. In the news world, 24 hours is a long time.
Take care ;^)
I didn't bring up the subject, llacey did, I merely gave my thoughts on it.
Faux news is not something that I bother watching. Since you don't regard numbers as religion, I'm sure you don't care about their portion of viewers.
Aside from your deleberate pejorative (faux), it's hard to ignore that 70% of prefer Fox news for thier source.
Religion means many things. The word may have thrown you. I meant that numbers are not the end all. Numbers change all the time. Sorry, I should have been clearer.
There is no need to make it worse than it is. I really am interested in having adult/like conversation about politics. I think we all have good points and it's easy to get off track sometimes.
I'm also not understanding your last sentence. Sorry, could you make it clearer?
nope, I'm tired of this conversation
Fox news says 70% prefer Fox news for their source - now that's a real scientific study. Give me a break.
those numbers relate to cable news watchers. And I have no problem believing that 100 per cent of the fox audience is either racist or very ill informed.
Where's your proof of that statement?
"Flesh color" My thoughts on this is we are all human beings with wonderous and beautiful diversity. We identify first with that which we know best, then we hopefully grow and see how we all are interconnected no matter what shade of flesh we are.We are "carefully Taught" like the powerful song from themusical "South Pacific".I too am puzzeled and flumexed by raceism, sexism, ageism, the list goes on and on, fill in the blank.I'm not am ISM, I'm a person!When will we drop this terrible worn out song and dance?
True, but, I didn't bring it up. You are right, when, when, when?
Now, yakkity1, Why would I want to hold my breath? LOL
You may want to hold your breath if you are around something stinky........
Just a thought.
;-)
Roflmao! PU
I second that motion.
Better yet what did she major in Was it gutting elk 101 You know it is her constant criticism of others that get to me At least our President (yes you heard it right ) of the United States is above all the gossip And even when President Bush was in office I didn't hear all the yelling out at his speeches. Respect was shown. I think it only right.Unlike what I am seeing now .It is so immature it scares the hellout me..
Like the time someone threw a shoe at him?
Wasn't from our country
Does that really matter?
To what I wrote it does.. I never heard heckling when Bush was giving a speech so in my book the liberals and democrates respected his stand. Maybe you can understand this I work for a doctor when patients are in the room I do not disrespect him and he is called Dr. When we are alone and I do not agree I still give him the respect but also my say and I call him Ed.This is a nation watching that our children are watching
When I did the Womens Shelter I had a young girl from Russia I asked "What was the diff between the U.S. and Russia. She said in the U.S. you respect a man for what he gets In Russia we respect a man for what he gives"
And if someone from another country threw a shoe then I would say if the shoe fits ???
that was a person in another country. That country was the one where he started an illegal war, killed hundreds of thousands of its citizens and displaced millions of others. He deserved a lot more than a shoe in his face.
I have trouble with people not respecting the office. I listened to George Bush mutilate the English language, present being dumb as a respectable alternative to being educated...the Supreme Court is downright scary...the fact that Alito was seen mouthing not true when the president was speaking, help,,,is there a coup d'etat going on in this country, with Faux Noise hearlding the way?
Alito was as you said, mouthing. The President had totally mischaracterized the ruling and was disrespectful to the court in his speech. In order to get respect you have to give it.
In my opinion, THE PRESIDENT, you know the one who was legitimately elected by the citizens of these United States...whether you approve or not, is due respect, Respect of his office, and the millions of people who voted for him. Obama was not my first choice, but i think he has an extraordinary mind, he can keep complex strands together as he talks. What do you think is okay to undermine? What will it get you if he fails? It might do your ego good, but not the country.
I don't believe that the president mischaracterized the ruling...have you read it? It essentially gives corporations the same status as individuals legally...breaking with over 100 years of precendent to do so.
So why does that matter to you? The ramifications of such a bill make it legal for instance, for essentially any corporation, FOREIGN or American, to act in their corporations own good to essentially buy an polititican they want. not that it is done already, were just saying it is just not illegal to "steal the farm" i.e. the United States from it's own people. Giving corporations, regardless of their agenda, or nationality, the legal right to have its needs considered over the individuals is something we should be all sreaming about!!! Good for the President to bring it to the American peoples attention that the Supreme Court is giving away the farm, Please remember he taught constitutional law and I don't get how this is all flying under the radar, except on National Public Radio...hello..unless we are still in grammar school, and going neiner neiner still passes as acceptable, "mouthing "not true" by a Supreme Court judge is so far out of line, and so disrepectful, that yes to me all of this is scary, we are suppossed to act in the common good and I see darling Sarah being nothing but snide and devisive, So what sometimes Obama uses a teleprompter, how is that any less than writing on your hand???? I just don't get where all the hate is being generated, and why??????Who does it benefit...that is normally where you need to go first these days..sorry set of affairs.
I don't think the Pres mischaracterized anything at all - what he stated was accurate. Alito was showing disrespect - he is the only Supreme Crt judge who did not show up when Obama went to greet the court - which was a respectful thing for the pres to do - and all other justices showed out of respect. Some news commentators felt Alito didn't show up because Obama didn't vote for him to be confirmed. This has nothing to do with giving respect and getting it back. When someone is speaking - whether you agree or not - you don't make faces, mouth, shout out, etc. Especially if you are s Supreme Court Justice - Alito was out of line - he should not attend future events if he can't control himself. The pres had every right to speak out on the court ruling.
Actually, no, the president did not represent the ruling correctly. That was cited by many lawyers the next day on several media outlets.
The Supreme Court is the ultimate interpreter of the law of the land. Whether any of us like a ruling or not, it has to be accepted. As president he should set the example. He did not just disagree, he condemned it. He could have done that in a more private manner. Calling them out in a State of the Union message is highly inappropriate. Only one other time in history, during Roe v Wade, has a president made such a comment re a Supreme Court ruling.
If indeed, you say Alito was being disrespectful, then the President stooped to his level.
It's a terrible supreme court decision. I think the Pres prefaced his statement about the decision by saying - with all due respect to the court - good enough for me.
I think it's funny (and kind of weird-lol) how in our culture people say 'with all due respect' right before they slam someone. It's done in the Hispanic culture as well. lol
LOL....
A friend of mine once said "As soon as someone starts a sentence with the words 'with all due respect', the hairs on the back of my neck stand up".
Of course there is that famous sourthern saying "Bless their heart...." which always proceeds a slam too!
What he said was wrong.
How does prefacing "with all due respect" make it good enough?
How about an apology for being wrong. That would make it good enough.
WHen he misspoke, the Justice had every right to mouth "not true". Because it wasn't. Pretending otherwise is like pretending the emporer has clothes.
I don't believe Obama misspoke. He was letting the court know that he respects them but disagrees with their decision. It was his state of the union address - what he said wasn't nasty - it was his belief that this decision is very harmful and may very well be - we will see during the next election cycle, how much more special interest money impacts our system. It's bad enough now but can get worse. Supreme court decisions are often politically motivated which is why we need balance on the court.
Not true.
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What's not true? That the court often makes politically motivated decisions? or that we need balance on the court?
At every level our court system is corrupt. If ever involved in a court battle this would be known. Many just like to quote information in print as fact. Just because someone prints it does not make it fact. Where's the proof. I think (notice I said 'I think' not 'I know', that's also called an 'opinion', just in case someone wants to argue it) every decision made by man is motivated by something personal.
This thread was started about Palin's qualification. I doubt them myself, that being said what the hell does Obama have to do with her qualifications? She say's she's a writer but she didn't write one page of her book. She's not a writer but rather a character....no debate there (HA!) She say's she's not guilty of any wrong doing while in office in Alaska yet now we know she was not the one running the state but rather her husband was...what...no one has a problem with the 1000 and more e-mails from him making major decisions and demands while she was supposed to be running the state...and then there's the famous injection of opinion on her part as to what should happen to her EX brother-in-laws job...none of her business but she made it hers and albeit, not considered an abuse of power but definitely up for (once again) judgment and therefore open to opinion of the country.
NO...I didn't see one question asked about Obama in the meat of this thread, why is it some people can't just let a questions about Palin be asked and some how (if at all possible) be answered without injecting OPINIONS about Obama to move the spotlight away from the subject at hand? WHY???? Substance perhaps???
If it's not true that the courts can be swayed by the feelings in the government why then is it important for a sitting president to appoint a member of his political party to the bench??? Government and politics are very much a member of the courts.
One statement I'd like to make about the argument here. If Obama's past use of drugs as a college student was evident in his current actions as president (think Bush) then it would matter. His communication ability comes from his profession as an attorney. It's part of the job. His ability to attract attention has nothing to do with his speech, his race or his education. He has something to say weather we "as the people" agree or not, but we as a people elected him to office, that does say something. We as a nation had better soon ban together or the attack of 9/11 will prove to be just the beginning of the end of our country. We as a nation need to respect the man/women we as a nation hired for the job and get on board with what ever it takes to be a healthy/wealthy country again.
I don't care who leads us but I care if they lead us into a war we should not be in. I don't care if we are led by a woman or a man, black or white, I care that boys and girls are dying and everyday we as a nation let it matter if our president is black and therefore won't stand beside him.
Yes...I see and hear all the time that the color of his skin does not matter but I think (again my opinion not open for argument) has mattered and continues to matter. When I see senators and congressmen sit in a room looking like little kids that just want their way I am embarrassed to call them the cream of our crop. We are supposed to elect men and women who have the best intentions but instead we have men and women in office that are out for them selves and are looking at special interest groups to buy their vote and pad their accounts. I'm not saying rep's or dem's I'm saying all of them. They are all guilty and until the government disallows corporations to have any input into decisions of business conducted by our COUNTRY, not their corporations then we are corrupt as a nation.
Lilly you started an interesting conversation that was hijacked by another. Don't stoup, it won't matter, in some cases you can't win a battle of wits, but you've won the war of integrity. Let that be enough. Save your breath and fight for something that matters...Palin does not fit the bill. Someone said we give her way too much attention. I agree.
So....how about those olympics...great weren't they? ;)
Very true Lilly!
Is Sarah running for something? My note to Sarah:
Keep up the good work Sarah. You don't have to show you're transcript to anyone. Even the one you got from gutting an elk ;^) You may need one in "Gratuitous Sarcasm" to keep up with some of these women.
I sure hope not. She runs against anything not for something. She makes fun of someone using a teleprompter and then writes her own notes on the palm of her hand. Teleprompters are most likely too complicated for her. And sarcasm and hate seem to be the things she bases her beliefs on.
Oh, my! But Obama needs a teleprompter to speak to sixth graders or how about "corpseman." Sarah Palin isn't even holding office. She is a private citizen. What's the big deal? She's a pundit. As far as sarcasm and hate, how about that Robert Gibbs or Rahm Emmanuel?
Your right she isn't holding an office, she was supposed to be but she couldn't handle it and quit before her term was finished with no other job in sight. And did so saying that she didn't want to be a "lame duck" governor, not understanding that means one who has someone else already elected to their job, she wasn't that far into her term.
This isn't politics. This is so far left that I wonder if you can see daylight where you are. First of all, she quit because of the attention she was having to pay to defend herself, not a choice, frivolous allegations and suits that have to be addressed. The added benefit now is she can speak without the mantle of public servant to uphold. When you hold office, you are responsible to all constituents. She saw that it was necessary to leave the office to work on her own. There is much more to this than what you are insisting on. Did you go to the kitchen or bathroom when she was saying this? Or did you put your blinders and filtered ear plugs on? Why don't you let it go? Because you see her power! And it scares you. You also enable her power. I think that if you and like minded people would ignore her, she wouldn't have to speak up for herself becoming even more powerful. Guess I should really be thanking you because she has become the champion of many ideals that are held precious to the majority of us.
How about Obama thinking they spoke Austrian in Austria, or giving gifts to visiting dignitaries that were bought in the White House gift shop. It's embarassing.
She already has one in "Gratuitous Sarcasm" - haven't you ever heard her speak. Yes she does have to produce her transcript - we have proof that Obama was born in Hawaii but some crazy people want a different copy of the birth certificate - Don't you think Hillary would have gotten Obama on this if it was true - folks started making it an issue when they realized Obama had black relatives in Kenya - it's a racist, right wing Fox News thing - we have no proof that Sarah isn't lying about her education - her degree is supposed to be Journalism from Idaho State and 4 colleges in 6 years is a whole lot of changing to get thru in 6 yrs. If it were more years it would be easier to understand. I don't know of any decent school of journalism that would let you just jump in and get a degree - you generally start college and then get accepted into a journalism program. Per her discussions she wanted to be a sports announcer - she hangs a lot on having played basketball in high school - she was a star - well, lots of folks are stars in high school - some small towns need every kid to play to have a team! most likely couldn't play in college because I doubt that she was eligible. So I say - Sarah Palin release your diploma and college transcripts verifying you have an education - you said you did - so lets see. I really think there is something here that needs to be looked into. We have had people impersonate doctors in this country and make up degrees that no one really checked. We've yet to hear from people at colleges she has attended that remember her - as I recall during the campaign some news folks tried to find them and couldn't. We have a right to know SP really has a college degree, and how well she did in school. I would never have thought to ask until I heard her speak, watched her during the last campaign, and have some real doubts that she made it thru any college!!!!!
You are fixated on her. See "ego" and "painbody" described by Eckhart Tolle. If there was anything concrete, they would know by now. So move on to something more pleasant in your life. Or find something more pleasant. You can make yourself unhealthy by whipping up your emotions with something that may or may not be true, You must see some good in her. Try something. 5 whys. Check out the link below and see it that helps you.
I'm interested in politics - it's not a fixation on a person. It's difficult to discuss issues when the person posting gets attacked as having something wrong with them - you can disagree with my statements - and make your own - but why not try to leave the personal about the person making a post out of it. No one knows the motives of another - but for your benefit I will express again - I'm very interested in politics, public policy, the direction our country moves in, and have opinions. I read like every one else - we just don't all interpret things the same. Try staying away from attacking the poster and stick with the topic. If you don't want to see a certain post - don't look or read it - but don't judge the motives of the poster - it's not nice.
You should also take your own advise. When I post something, I know fully well that someone will come back and the response may not be to my liking. It is the right of the poster to post. News alert: Not everyone has been "nice" in what they have said about SaraH. I have no problems with anyone in this forum. If you want nice, you may have to be more selective in the threads that you choose to participate in or start. You had to know, or maybe you didn't, that a thread on Sarah Palin is a hot bed. I am not attacking you. I cannot control how you feel or how you interpret what I say. That is your responsibility.
I do take my own advice and try not to attack the individual person posting something by referencing some personal analysis of their motives - no one's fixated on anything. Palin gave a major speech last week. She's going to continue to be in the news more and more now as she campaigns for candidates and no one should be discouraged from continued debate regarding her credentials, or any aspect of a speech she gives. She has put herself out there as a potential candidate for Pres. This was a thread about Palin's credentials. I can take anything you dish out, on any thread, at any time. But you got that control thing backwards. You are in control of whether or not you take a shot at the person posting something, or you stay focused on the issue. I'm suggesting to stay focused on the issue which is Sarah Palin appears to lack basic education, knowledge of world events, etc. I question her education and say she should release her college transcripts - I think it's possible there's something to be found there and it's fair game to ask. We had debates about Bush's education, Clinton's education, several others - Obama has been picked on for being an elitist because he was involved with law review and other honors in college. I've heard Palin speak, listened to others discuss her speeches, and have questions about her ability - so I'm starting with her college transcripts - this could be some very awakening information. So I posted the statement. Sarah Palin release your college transcripts and degree.
Like I said, she couldn't handle the pressure.
Who couldn't handle what pressure? You could be a little clearer in your accusations.
Lilly,
When you say things like "it's a racist, right wing Fox News thing," all your arguments fly out the window and I can't take you seriously.
That's your choice - I don't take much of what you say seriously.
Instead of thinking about what I said, you get defensive. That's too bad.
Oh no! Not another Sarah P. thread!!!!!
Lol! At least you spelled it right ;^)
I did?
Sarah with an H. You did. Minor, unless you're Sarah I guess.
Thanks Moongoddess, she needs that H (LOL)
Some people just love to hate her ;^))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
What's to hate? Just because someone doesn't agree with what she does or says? Oh my!!!
You know, dyna, I ask myself the same question. I keep asking why and can't seem to get a good answer. In fact, it's those who claim to dislike her that keep bringing her up. lol. Psychological projection is the only answer I can come up with. I just wish I knew what the projected feelings are. lol
Just passing by the thread and wanted to give my take. Hate for me is a destructive tool that back fires,
I don't hate anyone and SaraH to me is just one example of what America is about....I believe she is talked about so much because she talks about others, what you give comes back to you, I have nothing to say about her , I believe she says what many would like to say ....She speaks for her self ,her actions show who she is and history will do the rest,
I will not let anyone take me to the level of hating,this country is in trouble already and if women of our age group can't help solve the problem and some of us can't even see the problem. We are to busy tearing down the person rather than building up the country , I love SaraH Palin .......and yes love can hurt.
Try not to judge the motives of someone who posts a comment. If you don't like the comment it doesn't mean hatred, projection, etc. You may have been around for a long time and read every post ever written. Others may be newer at posting. Just because you don't want to read something - so what - don't read it. One can oppose another persons political beliefs, strongly question their ability, etc. - that's what democracy is all about - no need to try and analyze the psychological meaning or one's overall feelings - this is the type of stuff that causes people not to speak out - it's personal attack rather then focusing on the issues.
I don't believe I ever said hate. And I don't see how trying to understand something is a personal attack.
Dunamomma , Has someone said they hated her? I notice when she is being spoke against , some use Obama as a negative to defend her has anyone asked who hates Obama?
I hope we don't hate based on Political ideology or we are in trouble , because there is a lot of hating to go around(LOL)
No fayetteSIPP. No one said they hated her. Seventeen hours ago MG just said "some people just love to hate her". So I said "what's to hate?" Of course if I got an answer it would be more of the same and probably wouldn't convince me or anyone else to hate her. I'm confused why this topic gets so heated. How 'bout you?
I feel that we use people who say things we want to say as our heroes, and when they are attacked we feel attacked. personally I know that we are living in difficult times and we are turning back the clock about 40 years and that sadden me...but I guess much has been covered over and now the cover is being pulled back. At our age i would think we would be about finding solutions, don't you think so?
I must admit I am surprised at the level in which some lift her up no matter what she says or do and I am disappointed that those who see her as many do
get over involved in this kind of forum.
Hey it's only the 4% who think in solution terms. And I think by golly you are right about people attaching themselves to someone who is speaking their words. Ms. P does that a lot . . . says things others wish they could say. Good point.
I don't think people hate her I think we just don't want to keep on listening to her Kinda like one of those people that just keep talking to hear themselves And the problem is Fox News Has anyone watched Link TV ??
How is Fox News the problem if you're not watching it?
I'm not a right-wing racist and I watch several Fox programs. There are many different ones you know - many with opposing viewpoints, i.e. Chris Wallace's (used to work at ABC).
Link TV - isn't that a socialist leaning channel? Maybe we should ask if that's the problem!
I don’t care who they are, what color they are, which sex they are, what ‘party’ they affiliate with if they are a politician they have certain traits that make it necessary for them to be REQUIRED to produce the truth about their back grounds. They ALL should be required to produce them not just some.
And please don’t tell me that I am unfairly trying to pigeon hole someone, we all know it takes a certain kind of personality, egomaniac to even think they could be a Mayor, Senator, President, Representative, Governor, Dictator, Prime Minister and do it better than anyone else, just like it takes a certain personality to be a good school teacher, cop, doctor, beautician, priest and so on to do their jobs well. The only way any of them can do their jobs are because they have others around them helping. It is just harder for a politician to admit they aren’t demy-gods and can’t do it all by themselves.
This I agree with, and just pray they surround themselves with the best of the best.
Me too ageless. You have to.
Why should she? What is your need to know to founded in--there isnt an educational requirement associated with elected office to my awareness. To be president of the USA you just have to meet the minimum age and citizenship requirements.
No college degree is mentioned, so why do you think she owes it to you?
Besides--BO thinks there are 57 states in the union, I guess that college degree of his didnt exactly "take" , now did it?
She is putting herself out there as a spokesperson for other candidates, the tea party (well, on that I'm not sure she just uses those folks) and lends the appearance that she has the qualifications to endorse people - she said she has a college degree - so it's fair game to ask these questions - you don't have to show your income tax return to run for president but candidates say they pay their taxes, so they are asked to produce evidence. This is someone who could have been our vice president - so those of us who want to know about her education have every right to ask. In this day and age any person running for public office should be able to demonstrate they could get thru college as well as have other qualifications. An education is important. I'm not asking for this info out of spite or anger - I really want to know if what she says is true. Nothing wrong with asking her to produce her transcripts - she says she has an education - lets see.
didn't it take quite a while for BO to produce his birth certificate? If he could dawdle on this -- a requirement in order to be president of the USA -- then she can certainly take her sweet freaking time on her education. Because it isn't a reqirement and as such it really isnt any one elses business at this juncture.
Oh you can ASK for her transcripts, but the truth is, they are private, they are hers, and you have no RIGHT to them legally.
Rather than worry about her grades 20 something years ago Id recommend you be more concerned about something relevant in 2010.
Her grades are very relevant. She's going around endorsing people and starting to build a war chest to run for public office herself - this has nothing to do with anything about Obama so why do you keep bringing him up. This thread is about Sarah Palin. "20 something years ago" is important. One's education is very important - it demonstrates a lot about a person.
I call BS. Someones education quits being relevant after their first job. Plenty of incredibly educated buffoons. Plenty of incredibly intelligent, very successful HS drop outs.
Her college education was 20 years ago and pretty freaking irrelevant to 90% of adults. The only ones asking about it dont care about her education, they are just hoping to CATCH her in something. SOmehow--I doubt this is going to be it.
But simple things seems to amuse simple people.
If someone is in their 40s and their basic undergrad college education is THAT relevant today---ithey need to grow up big time and be an adult.
No one cares about your under grad degree after you turn 30 for sure. ANd not long after 25 either.
So tell me Dallas Lady - what does "simple things seems to amuse simple people" mean? I'm trying to understand your post to me.
I am not a fan of Sarah Palin and I am republican. The night that McCain chose her as a running mate, I knew he was going to lose. I believe that she is just a mascot for the Tea Party. But I do not understand your interest in her college transcripts. Not all highly educated people make good business people,entrepreneurs, or leaders for that matter. Education may make you more eloquent, a good speaker, but that's about all. A leader is born with certain traits, either you have or you don't.
I wonder how many of the founding fathers had an eduction equal to the college degrees of today? Just wondering ...not putting anyone down then or now.
My father was the head of a power plant and he said he would much rather hire a 'common man' who was hungry to learn than hire a college grad who thought he already knew everything.
My Ex had 2 college degrees and never worked a day in either one of them because he just couldnt 'get it together' as far as what to do with them. He worked as a janitor.
Yeah, my X is similar. He has two degrees and can't speak worth a hoot. Founding fathers couldn't have had an education equal to degrees of today. To my thinking the world is far more complex now and requires the ability to reason, complete tasks, understand the complex issues so you can propose solutions to problems and one way of helping demonstrate one's knowledge is doing well in school - it's just one way - but I think an important part of a persons background for office these days.
I don't think having an education makes a person employable - but to my thinking it does demonstrate some basic abilities and then you go from there. I wouldn't have gotten into wanting to see transcripts had I not heard SP say some things that sounded off the wall and her extensive focus on personal attacks toward her opponents. I do want my elected officials to demonstrate they are intelligent - if SP barely got thru school, or her degree is questionable, we have the right to know. Several prominent news or radio commentators lack a formal education - they tend to be the ones who spend their time attacking others rather then presenting information and coming up with solutions. They have great gigs and make lots of bucks by attacking others and building popularity on hate. SP's speeches generally involve attacking others personally and encouraging others to hate the opponent. I still think there's something to be found in her transcripts.
Jeez Louise. What a bunch of silliness over nothing. THe woman has a degree from the University of Idaho.
THEY SAY SO.
Here is a link from the Univeristy of Idaho--her alma mater.
They have a page devoted to her and -- in fact -- refer to her as an alumni.
Now do you think that the freaking university would put a page up about her, refer to her as an alumni, etc. if she never actually graduated from there?
Of course not. DUH.
read it, accept it, and move on. Geez.
http://www.uidaho.edu/newsevents/features/alumni/sarahpalin.aspx
can't we all get along? :)))
I have always been pro-women. But for some unforsake reason Ms Sarah rubs me the wrong way. I finally asked myself why, why, why....? Got it!!! She never says anything nice about anybody, her sarcasm and negativity is overwhelming. I usually just bypass the channel she is on and don't even bother. But what amazes me is that she knows the media is going to be on her every chance they get.... who's bright idea was for her to write notes on her hands? duuuh!
Maybe it would do BO better if he would write things on his hand...at least he would say the US has 50 official states and not 57...or was it 157...or maybe 92....no it was 57 he said. He can't even use a tela-prompter right.
you can accuse President Obama of anything you want, but not being a good orator is not one of them. The man can speak clearly, knows his stuff and is very intelligent.
He is a good orator because he has good speechwriters, and he reads from teleprompters beautifully.
Without teleprompters -- and impromptu speaking -- those skills fall off significantly. His speech becomes peppered with uuuhhmmm.....uuhhh...etc. There are plenty of youtube clips that prove this up. Plenty. Because I've posted links to them before, I will not again.
However I will post a link to the website Politico; Politico is a non-partisan media outlet that covers all things political. And they have a telling article about how BO overrelies on the use teleprompters more than any other president ever has and for the most innocuous of comments:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19663.html
THey also write that he has tried to wean hmself from their use (likely because he knows its a source of jokes) and hasnt been successful in doing so.
And before you launch into another GWB bash: The same thing applies to him. Off teleprompter and off the cuff, his skills were also pedestrian. Agreed.
I've listened to a number of press conferences the pres held and felt he did an excellent job responding to a wide variety of issues all off the cuff. I find that he has a great command of many problems facing this country and can speak about them all intelligently when asked questions. The guy appears to be very intelligent and trying his best to be well versed on problems facing our country. But when you give major speeches it's easier for some to use a prompter then look down at notes - you can look at your audience much better. On the eve of the state of the union speech it was widely discussed on the news that the pres put together most of his speech on his own. I'm sure he had great speech writers helping him but in the end - it's what he takes and makes his own. Clinton was a great speaker - Obama appears to me to be his equal on speaking off the cuff.
Your opinion, your right to it. Lots of people think otherwise, and lots of people have noted that without a teleprompter........it all falls off. From Politico:
After the teleprompter malfunctioned a few times last summer and Obama delivered some less-than-soaring speeches, reports surfaced that he was training to wean himself off of the device while on vacation in Hawaii. But no such luck.
As the article noted--He needs a teleprompter for a 6 minutes speech for god's sake on Abraham Lincoln! rofl.
Per Politico:
Obama has relied on a teleprompter through even the shortest announcements and when repeating the same lines on his economic stimulus plan that he's been saying for months — whereas past presidents have mostly worked off of notes on the podium except during major speeches
You missed the point - he doesn't need a prompter for a 6 min speech on Lincoln - that's a pretty drastic statement - and I have noted that others have posted he is a good speaker - lots of folks seem to think that. But when your material is set up on a prompter and that's what you are used to - then you are in a very challenged position if the prompter fails. Everyone uses some form of notes - if that form gets messed up - it puts you in an awkward position. Clinton had a prompter fail during one of his state of the union speeches. I don't know what notes Bush used but he had many problems with public speaking. We have one of the most intelligent, best speaking, family man type presidents this country has ever seen. We can disagree on his policies. He is under incredible stress having taken office during a great economic recession. He is human and makes mistakes at times but overall he is an incredible speaker. My opinion on Obama - I can give it. I don't care what method he uses to deliver his speeches - we all have preferences when addressing folks on important issues - I've heard him do great in press conferences that are off the cuff - he has a command of the issues going on in the country and the world. I can just imagine what the outcry would be if the pres wrote notes on his hand when giving a speech.
Again, you are stating things you don't know and that I can provide links and data for. Yes he does need a teleprompter to deliver a 6 minute speech on Lincoln. Its not a drastic statement at all. Its only drastic for him when the teleprompter fails. From the article that you apparently didnt read:
"They (the teleprompters) traveled to the Department of Transportation this week and were in the Capitol Rotunda last month when he paid tribute to Abraham Lincoln in six-minute prepared remarks."
Off teleprompter the man is pedestrian in speech. My opinion. My opinion backed up by plenty of video clips all around the internet. Google "obama off teleprompter" and see what you find.
Disagree all you like. Neither of us will convince the other.
But don't say "he doesnt need a pronpter for a 6 minute speech on Lincoln"...when clearly--yes he does.
You are right - we probably won't agree with each other on much of anything on any topic but this article doesn't mean he can't speak without a prompter. He just means he used one. I've heard him speak many times off the cuff - as far as presidents go he's one of the best responding to questions without notes. When it comes to giving a particular speech we all have our ways of doing it - using notes, prompters, etc. So he uses a prompter - but it doesn't mean he can't speak without one.
It just means he and his handlers are scared for him to do so.
Even Biden makes fun of him for his over reliance on it. Pretty sad when even your VP makes jokes about it.
Obama is an excellent speaker - I can't believe you want to attack him on something he clearly excels at - Sounds exactly like something I've heard Limbaugh say. You may not like what he says but he's a fantastic speaker.
Yes he reads a teleprompter fantastically.
If you google "politico political bias" you will find this well touted "bi-partisan" is actually very bias....repubilcan bias.....just a little "by the way"
If you google Joe Biden, you'll find him making fun of his bosses' over reliance on teleprompters. So much for "bias" in these allegations, huh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIeyG_pzsSw
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That's about all he knows how to do.
when Glenn Beck refers to "Class Warfare" he doesn't just mean redistribution of wealth but refers to "elitist" versus less educated people.
There are 57 muslim countries, I think that's where his confusion came from.
when i went to college we had classes on public speaking, some people were excellent at it, were very natural speaking in public, others were all the opposite. My boss is awful at public speaking, but guess what? He is not shy, he will get up and in his broken English say what he has to say and everybody gets it. If you don't, and ask questions he will repeat himself until you get it. I admire that in him. But i still say that BO is good at public speaking with or w/o a teleprompter because he was good in school, wasn't he on the debate team? I think he thrives on it.
According to the University of Idaho and the National Governors Association, she received a Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism from the University of Idaho in 1987.
Also, Shenfeld, Hilary. “Sarah Palin’s First Campaign Fear: Exposure of D Grade in College.” People.com. November 16, 2009. Accessed: November 24, 2009.
She made a "D" in college? Oh the horrors of it all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why oh why couldn't she have just smoked weed and snorted blow like BO? Who also had a "non honors" level undergraduate record.
But no................she made a D!
Egads!!!!
I would imagine her fear of info coming out is greater then getting a D but I did hear her make the D statement in an interview. My request for her to release her transcripts has to do with more then getting one d, and it has nothing to do with a comparison to Obama's issues in college. Oh my gosh, Dallas Lady made a statement and didn't support it with a site from an extensive and exhaustive lit review (i.e. Google search).
At least I seek out real information and can actually back up my statements instead of making things up out of thin air with no substance or fact behind them.
Research. Its your friend. Esepcially against unsubstantiated attacks from left field that are complete and utter rubbish with no basis whatsoever.
She has a degree. She isn't required to release her transcripts. BO never did release his either from the exact same time period in his life, and likely for the exact same reason.
Heres another thign: She likely wont release because as long as people are focused on the silliness of a non story..............then that keeps them chasing down a rabbit hole that doesnt have a rabbit and it keeps them wasting their time and their resources.
Another Duh. She's not doing it because she has anything to hide. She doe it to waste her enemies' time and energy and money and to have her attackers look silly in the end,
Its an old political trick. And apparently it works.
Was there something wrong with looking for facts? I'm confused. Of course, Google is limited, and you have to see if the information came from a credible source.
Thanks Jender, I appreciate the nod.
Google is nothing but a search engine. Its WHERE it points you. Every major media outlet has a website. They keep history out there. Google just aggregates what data there is and provides links to places to look.
SOme of it major reserarch backed by scientific evidence. Some of it excellent journalism from major outlets. And some of it garbage from every Tom, Dick and Harry with conspiracy theories galore. And yes there is a LOT of garbage out on the internet too.
I have NEVER linked to garbage. I only link and quote well recognized and respected sources. Therer's nothing bad or wrong at all. I'm being attacked for having provided information and data that uncateogrically refuted several untrue and unsubstantiated claims of (non)fact, and provided counterpoints to opinion based posts as well.
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I sill haven,t figured out where I am with Sarah Palin. I find her quite the gal, and all though I would not consider her in the league for polictics, She could be a comedian and is no dummy when it comes to knowing how to make a huge amount of money. People who take her serious for polictics may not be serious themselves.
Me too Wanda. I think she was a decent enough governor for Alaska (and so did they until the media spotlight shone so much on her that no one couls sustain). Dont think she is VP or even Pres material.
But I also think she has been the recipient of a lot unsubstantiated hate and jealousy. And I think she's playing it to the hilt. I dont think she wants to be Presidenet, I think shes playing coy about it, building her brand, and wants to be a media star.
And she's succeeding. And all these haters on her dont get that they are playing right into her hands. Interesting op ed piece in Time magazine about that this week, you may want to check it out.
It was CNN not TIme. Here's the link for Ruben Navarrette's op ed piece, "Why Dissing Palin Wont Work for Dems":
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/02/11/navarrette.palin.politics/index.html?hpt=T2
Thanks for the correction . I am going to look at this. Have a great day Dallas Lady.
Just finished reading the blog. The word of her availablity to CONNECT is the answer. And it is true a perosn follows her not for the fact of being president but to see where she lands next.
On thing for sure if she is managing her money properly she will never have to worry about retirement.
Thought you'd appreciate this one . . .I think the old Republican guard better start paying more serious attention to her or she will wander off into a thrid party, which would be disasterous.
By Dewie Whetsell, Alaskan Fisherman.
As posted in comments on Greta's article referencing the MOVEON ad about Sarah Palin..
The last 45 of my 66 years I've spent in a commercial fishing town in Alaska. I understand Alaska politics but never understood national politics well until this last year. Here's the breaking point: Neither side of the Palin controversy gets it. It's not about personal, style, rhetoric, it's about doing things. Even Palin supporters never mention the things that I'm about to mention here.
1. Democrats forget when Palin was the Darling of the Democrats, because as soon as Palin took the Governor's office away from a fellow Republican and tough SOB, Frank Murkowski, she tore into the Republican's "Corrupt Bastards Club" (CBC) and sent them packing. Many of them are now residing in State housing and wearing orange jump suits. The Democrats reacted by skipping around the yard, throwing confetti. Name another governor in this country that has ever done anything similar.
2. Now with the CBC gone, there were fewer Alaskan politicians to protect the huge, giant oil companies here. So she constructed and enacted a new system of splitting the oil profits called "ACES." Exxon (the biggest corporation in the world) protested and Sarah told them, "don't let the door hit you in the stern on your way out." They stayed, and Alaska residents went from being merely wealthy to being filthy rich. Of course, the other huge international oil companies meekly fell in line. Again, give me the name of any other governor in the country that has done anything similar.
3. The other thing she did when she walked into the governor's office is she got the list of State requests for federal funding for projects, known as "pork." She went through the list, took 85% of them and placed them in the "when-hell-freezes-over" stack. She let locals know that if we need something built, we'll pay for it ourselves. Maybe she figured she could use the money she got from selling the previous governor's jet because it was extravagant.
Maybe she could use the money she saved by dismissing the governor's cook (remarking that she could cook for her own family), giving back the State vehicle issued to her, maintaining that she already had a car, and dismissing her State provided security force (never mentioning - I imagine - that she's packing heat herself). I'm still waiting to hear the names of those other governors.
4. Now, even with her much-ridiculed "gosh and golly" mannerism, she also managed to put together a totally new approach to getting a natural gas pipeline built which will be the biggest private construction project in the history of North America. No one else could do it although they tried. If that doesn't impress you, then you're trying too hard to be unimpressed while watching her do things like this while baking up a batch of brownies with her other hand.
5. For 30 years, Exxon held a lease to do exploratory drilling at a place called Point Thompson. They made excuses the entire time why they couldn't start drilling. In truth they were holding it like an investment. No governor for 30 years could make them get started. Then, she told them she was revoking their lease and kicking them out. They protested and threatened court action. She shrugged and reminded them that she knew the way to the court house. Alaska won again.
6. President Obama wants the nation to be on 25% renewable resources for electricity by 2025. Sarah went to the legislature and submitted her plan for Alaska to be at 50% renewables by 2025. We are already at 25%. I can give you more specifics about things done, as opposed to style and persona. Everybody wants to be cool, sound cool, look cool. But that's just a cover-up. I'm still waiting to hear from the people who hate her so much the names of other governors who can match what mine has done in two and a half years. I won't be holding my breath.
After the national election, she was content to return to work for the people of Alaska, but the haters wouldn't let her. No candidate in history has ever been so thoroughly scrutinized, investigated or had their life put under a microscope like Sarah Palin. Now she has written her book and they STILL will not leave her alone. The Associated Press has 7 people "fact checking" her book. Know how many "fact checkers" the Associated Press hired to work on Obama's two books? Not one.
You have just read the truth about Sarah Palin. This kind of information sends the media, along with the democrat party, into a wild uncontrolled frenzy to discredit her. I guess they are only interested in skirt chasers, dishonesty, immoral people, liars, womanizers, and bitter ex-presidents' wives.
So "You go, Girl." I only wish the men in Washington had your guts, determination, honesty, and morals. I rest my case. Only FOOLS listen to the biased media.
Been off the radar for a while but this thread blew me away. I'm astounded at the irrelevance IMO of this nonissue about a woman that accomplished more in an unfinished (just save it) term as Governor of Alaska than BO had dreamed about. Would you really want to go down the qualifications road for BO? I would NEVER endorse SP as a viable candidate for the presidency but it has nothing to do with her education. She'll prove to be smarter than all the politicos as she has the intelligence to recognize her inadequacies and strengths, profit from them ( yes…that’s right….profit and I say you go girl) and move on down the road. Even more amazed at the significance given to BO's competency as an orator. Personally ...I don’t give a damn how he delivers his speeches. The content and its ACCURACY is what we SHOULD be concerned about.
Oh.....and who he's BOWING down to. WHOA!!!!
Why is it that progressive liberals, who are supposed to be the champions of women, the poor and the working class, attack a woman because she didn't go to an Ivy League school, or because it took her awhile to finish.
The sexism and hypocrisy of the left is so glaring - why can't they see it?
It's not sexism - has nothing to do with an Ivy league school. We experienced the dumbing of America for many years - I want to be sure that anyone who could become a presidential contender has some level of intelligence. Since she was in and out of so many schools to get a 4 yr degree - I think she said in 6 years - I find it something that we should look at. No sexism and no hypocrisy. Any potential candidate - and I think she is potential - has to anti up. I don't care if it's a man or a woman. After hearing her speak I want to know even more. There's no attack because it's not Ivy League. That's an excuse to prevent us from knowing her educational record. it's fair game. As far as sexism goes - Sarah Palin is an embarrassment to women. There were so many credentialed (meaning have demonstrated intelligence and understand foreign policy, public policy, etc) republican women - picking Palin for the first VP candidate was a slap in their faces. She was selected for her looks - not her brains.
As far as your statement: "Sarah Palin is an embarassment to women." You speak for yourself and yoruself alone if you are embarrassed. I'm a woman. I'm not embarrassed by Sarah Palin. I'm not embarassed by anyone.
No one can embarress you but yourself.
Someone who embarassed herself was Hilary Clinton, after poking fun of the country song, "Stand by your man," claiming that she wasn't one of those women. Yet, when she and Bill left the White House, I expected her to divorce his behind immediately, but she didn't - she stood by her man!
After the humiliation he put her through, I would have had the divorce papers in hand upon entering the helicopter to leave!
I'm with you on that. I think she stayed with him for one reason, and one reason only--political expediency.....to stay close to the power base, to have access, to build her own knowledge/brand, so she could parlay it into her own political career and advantage.
One might argue she could have had the same result (senator, secty of state) after divorcing him, but I'm not so sure.
But I gotta tell you..........I couldn't swallow my pride and stick with him, no matter what the end game/goal was I had in mind. My pride just wouldn't have let that man off the hook.
I agree with you on her reasoning, but I think in the end it cost her because most people couldn't bear the thought of having him back in the White House. And to think I voted for the guy!
How about these women who stand beside their cheating husbands as they confess their crimes on national television. I'm thinking of the NJ governor's wife. The only way I would stand next to that bum would be if he had casts on his arms and legs, and needed me to hold him up before the police took me away!
Hi All - I had no idea this discussion was still going on. Sometimes new posts don't come up on my radar right away. I really appreciate all who contributed - no matter what your thoughts or feelings were about the topic - I respect everyone's right to speak out. Thank you for being part of this topic.
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