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communication is highly over rated!
posted 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

I truly believe that verbal communication is so highly over rated.  Although i think I would love to live with a good communicator the fact is I don't.

I learned long ago not to say "I need to talk."  My guy and in general a lot of guys I've known, will turn around and  run at these words.  I learned to just launch off on whatever I needed to say without the warning bells in advance.  This works for me.

My spouse is of another generation.  Stubborn, scottish and when I see his lips shut tight and grim I know hell could freeze over before he will talk.

He often says Don't Tell me, Just Do It.  And he means it,  The story is often "in the doing" in our lives.  

I found also that touch works wonders.  We often communicate through touch.  Even when we're mad at each other.  And at 76 he's always ready for sex, more than any man I've ever known.  I often touch him as I pass by.  He often touches me, just in passing.  It works for us.

The things that matter to us both are simple.  We are both happy in our little apartment and it's location.  We live quite simply.  We both like that.  

Coming into this marriage in mid life is different, much much different than the marriage of my youth.

We both had major lives before we met.  We both had baggage, who doesn't?  We both have histories.

We both value our time with our grandchildren.  And protect that time often during busy schedules.  He often goes alone to his daughters, I often go alone to mine.

I have many interests that do not include him.  My work life is my own.  His is his.  And neither of us are much inclined to discuss our work at home.  

He also has long standing social committments he enjoys without me.  And thats OK with me, because I had dinner with them once, and they're ALL deaf, in at least one ear.  I honour his long standing friendships.

I find myself irriatated less and less by his habits.  In terms of eternity, how important is it?  If he makes a mess on the coffee table which he does all the time.  

I'm not sure why I launched off on this rant.  Maybe because I see all the time so many women still waiting for some ideal of a man, some prince charming who never showed up.

Neither do we live out of each others pockets.  That's a big one for us.  In general we have worked out what it takes to maintain our household, and thats about it.  My money is my own, his is his.  

He occassionally buys me a gift.  When I'm least expecting it.  And usually something he has observed.  He came home with a down filled parka for me one day.  He "noticed" that I always seem to wear a dress coat, and thought I should have a parka.  

Last night when I came home there was sitting on my desk, 3 sets of candles.  He probably saw them on sale somewhere and knows I do love my candles.  

He also occassionally goes on holiday by himself.  Usually to the Dominican Republic, sometimes a golf trip on his own.  

He usually brings me something home.  Perfume or cigarettes he gets at the airport.  Once he came home with one of those expensive bottles of anti aging face cream.  I laughed and ask him why he bought me that.  And he said: Because you can't get enough of that sheeeet you put on your face.  

So is communication always verbal?  Do you think?

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NanaCatharine said to NanaCatharine 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

And yes, there are certain things I do for him.  he doesn't maintain his car very well.  he'll drive till the brakes squeal, drive with a warning light on the dash.  So I learned long ago I feel much better maintaining his car and often take it in for service, or snow tires.  No big deal, I just feel better knowing he's driving around a good solid safe car.

I also buy and maintain his computers.  he phoned me at work once and ask me to come home and fix his laptop.  I just said, well I'm busy just use mine.  And he said No, I can't, I fooked yours up too!

He makes me laugh and laugh sometimes.  We've always had this crazy whacked out humour together.  It's a couple thing I suppose.  

Sandi/7 said to NanaCatharine 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

I think you too have a wonderful relationship!    And still frisky at 70+, that went buy the way side for a good book and a good nights sleep for me at 40!  LOL

Sandi/7 said to NanaCatharine 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

What a wonderful post Catharine!   I enjoyed every single entertaining moment of it.  And your l00% right.  Communicating is done in many many ways.  Remember "the look" we all got from our parents?   We knew exactly what THAT meant!

NanaCatharine said to Sandi/7 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

oh yes.  of course we knew what "that look" meant from our parents.  and we learn what it means from our spouses as well.  Indeedy, I have my own LOOK!

further to my above post, there is often silence between us.  Over the years I've learned we have our most intense conversations in silence.  And somehow things get resolved.  Somestimes it's OK to have unresolved matters between us for a time.

Living in a small space that neither of us is willing to give up, sometimes we find refuge in silence  and just know each of us is pre occuppied with something.  usually with me, it is work.  When I have business up in the air I'm often zoned out, as he calls it.  Sometimes he gets irritated by my pager or cell phone interruptions in our lives.  Too bad! It's my life.

he still thinks computers are to play on.  he still doesn't get that my computer is my work life.  And he really doesn't get that I can work from home at any time and nobody would even notice.  He thinks if I didn't go to the office, then I didn't work.  Although I prefer to work in an office environment, I've been known to stay in my warm and fuzzies all day, at home and still get a good days work done.  

I'm sitting here wondering why I'm writing all of this.  maybe because my heart is full to bursting with gratitude, and love of a good man.  And that things have a way of working out even after a a somewhat dreary and stressful time between us.   

Dallas Lady said to NanaCatharine 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

Well communicated~!

 

And obviously well played.  Good for you and hubby.

SeaWriter said to NanaCatharine 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

Catharine, I love the gestures that demonstrate your husband's love for you. People say a million things they don't mean, but they seldom do something they don't want to do. 

Love is in the motion, not in the air where words hang.

JoanPrice said to NanaCatharine 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

When I read your title, my reaction was, "Uh oh!" because I'm a firm believer in clear communication. But what you gave us was a lovely love story, and I enjoyed it thoroughly. Thank you.

- Joan

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NanaCatharine said to JoanPrice 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

frankly I had not really given it a lot of thought.  but I would venture to guess tht non verbal skills are just as important and probably a  lot more accurate expression than verbal.

 

dynamomma said to NanaCatharine 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

Let me re-phrase what your title is . . . "Verbal-aural communication is over rated"  (smile).  I liked your comments.  But you are always writing interesting ideas.  And your question about communication being verbal -- well over 90% of effective communication is non verbal.

Olga said to NanaCatharine 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

Great post! My husband and I are 'touchers' too. I have a tendency to explain things too much and he's a 'to the point' type of guy, so verbal communication is not always productive. But, I will say that he has a nack for picking out cards that say the sweetest and most romantic things.

Your comments about annoying habits reminded me of a Dear Abby letter I read many, many years ago. It was from a lady whose husband had recently died. She went on to tell about how much she had complained about his leaving underwear on the floor or the cap off the toothpaste (or some habits like that). She concluded by saying how much she would give (now that he was gone) to have underwear to pick up and caps to put back on the toothpaste. It's helped me to put perspective on things. ;-)

Mudder said to NanaCatharine 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

very interesting Catherine  I love when a post makes me think...

Sandi/7 said to Mudder 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

I agree Mudder!   And Catharine's sure has........

moongoddess said to NanaCatharine 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

Catherane, you truly are blessed.  Having a man who cares for you, about you and sex too is more than half the battle when we are looking for our life's purpose.  Congrats and what a charming story.  I'm reading this as I watch my husband doing the dishes and he's doing a couple of things that I wouldn't do and I'll have to redo later, but I'm a luven him.  Talk about foreplay. 

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fayetteSIPP said to NanaCatharine 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

AHHHHH what a great story to start my day, after getting up early and seeing my DH off to work on a cold day.

As i sit snuggled in my bed, in a room that was torn asunder three three months ago...and looking at all the love and time that went into doing it right, the love and direct instructions my DH gave me to be patient, and as the years have gone by I can see how impatient I was when younger ( do it myself) The love is in this room even when he is gone to work, there is real gold paint under the white smooth butter ceiling, that he relentlessly sanded by hand on a tall ladder to remove the {cottage cheese look) off the vaulted ceiling he designed to make our little room  feel "bigger" ... I am a communicator and years ago i discovered it would not work in my marriage without learning how to LOVE (Leave Out Verbal Energy) I would write him letters and let him think about what I was trying to say,,,It worked !!, the touching works very well. With us our communication is in the eyes , I can look at him-even after  42 years and still make him blush and he still looks charming and handsome to me amidst the wisps of gray hair around his smiling face as if  he is remembering  when we were young and full of  wild energy....I ,love a good love story but to have one it has to be sprinkled with freedom and I can see the range of freedom in your relationship..I can feel the trust and the care thanks for such a warm and fuzzy post, I will bake a cake for my honey today and say 'Because of Catherine's post I am reminded how much I l love you and am grateful for our communication sometimes of silence is when we say the most and solve the issues without having to sayi "I am sorry"."

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joyful53 said to NanaCatharine 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

What a wonderful model for a "later in life" relationship. I really can't thank you enough for giving voice to some of the things I've been feeling as I embark on my own mid-life relationship. I find that I am much more patient with the differences between myself and my new honey than I was with my husband of many years.  I know who I am and I am comfortable and somehow I don't' have my identity as wrapped up in my new man as I did in my husband's.

NanaCatharine said to joyful53 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

somehow I don't' have my identity as wrapped up in my new man as I did in my husband's.

 

you just said exactly what I was trying to say, only you said it precisely and pointedly.

gingervista said to NanaCatharine 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

EXACTLY!!! I'll NEVER give up my identify for anyone again......& why should I....& why should HE?

Helen Keene Myles said to joyful53 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

Is that what is happening with me and my new friend?

joyful53 said to NanaCatharine 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

Oh and in response to your question - no I don't believe that communication has to be verbal.  "We need to talk" is poison to many men. 

 When my son was in his teens I noticed how often he and friends talked as they did other things (usually involving a ball of some sort) so I started the same approach, though not with the ball, that just brought on fits of laughter...but while scrambling eggs or watching tv, or hauling in firewood...that's when we had our best conversations (and I learned to avoid eye contact at all costs!)

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Helen Keene Myles said to joyful53 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

You ladies are on the ball. Thanks.

gingervista said to NanaCatharine 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

I LOVED your "rant!" Speaking of someone being divorced 8 years who'll be 60 before year's end......i hope to find someone like you're talking about. I've got my interests/grown children & he'll probably have his; his friends/my friends, & sometimes "ne'er the twain shall meet." This "we've gotta talk," & "we've got to do everything together" is a crock. I can't imagine at this point in my life having to do things someone else wants to do that I don't. SURE, perhaps a compromise or two if it's REALLY important to the partner & he's willing to do the same, but......why drag him to a chick flick? Find some "chicks" to see it with! Loved the simplicity of your "formula."

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Anu said to NanaCatharine 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

My husband and I (we have been married for 23 years, together for 26 years) just experienced a "marriage encounter" weekend.  We were not completely sure what we were in for, but it is something I would recommend very highly.  It is very intense, and involves a lot of writing "love letters" to each other.  It allowed us to re-visit long-buried issues that need to be dealt with, without either one of us interrupting the other or reacting without having heard the entire view-point of the partner.

The idea is that we continue this written "dialogue" on a regular basis.  Some couples do it every night, but we have decided that twice a week will be adequate for us.  More than that seems like overkill and we honestly do not have the time or energy for it right now.  We take turns deciding what we need to express to each other, and we take the time to really see where the partner is coming from, rather than reacting instinctively.  After we have read each other's letters twice, we take a few minutes to discuss the topic.

Time will tell how effective this mehtod of communitcation will be.

 

 

NanaCatharine said to Anu 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

I have heard of marriage encounters.  If I'm not mistaken they are sponsored by the Catholic Church.  Not for me.   The chances of my husband writing me a  love letter, or zilch, zero, nadda.  I hope it works for you and wish you the best.

Anu said to NanaCatharine 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

I think it was indeed started by the Catholic church.  The one we attended was non-denominational.  I was pleasantly surprised that my husband was willing to write - to be honest, we don't really do "love letters", just notes from the heart - truthful but not unkind.  We will see how it goes....

NanaCatharine said to Anu 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

yes you have found something if your spouse is willing to write notes, no matter how small or big.   I really hope this new blessing in your life works for you.

blessings,

gingervista said to Anu 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

Oh yeah....have heard about marriage encounters for years. Hey, whatever works! Different strokes for different folks, don't ya know! ;p

Kate2 said to NanaCatharine 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

Hi Catharine -

I don't read this very often, but if yours is an example of the dialogue to be had, my habits just changed!  Good for you - maybe your comments are what is referred to as "being real". 

And oh no - communication certainly isn't always verbal.  And doesn't that make life just grand!

Thanks!

Kate2

Helen Keene Myles said to NanaCatharine 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

Thank you for a great story. Enjoy!

Lynnette said to NanaCatharine 02/06/2010, 02:10PM new!

Great story Catherine!  Very inspiring.  After so many years together usually one knows what the other is thinking anyway.  You know your man, he knows you.  Men do not like to talk much, and we are always taking. Independence for me is key at this stage of my life as well.  You go do your thing if you have to and i am ok with it and vice versa.  Life should be easy at this stage not harder with issues that do not need to be.  I have a friend that her husband controls her every move, she cannot even go to the gym, he does not like it.  That is so weird, but hey, she decided a long time ago that to make him happy she is willing to do whatever.  She seems happy. 

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