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Homosexuality in America , and elsewhere
posted 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

I am going out on a limb and take a stand and ya know what , I dont give a whack if you agree or not . Im saying it . What the heck is the continual deal about gay people . I am so sick of hearing about gay people and what they may do in the military I could just scream . So what . They are not running around attacking fellow soldiers, they are serving their country and doing their jobs . Let them serve openly .Let them work anywhere openly . They are not child molesters or sexual predators , they are fellow human beings who happen to have been born with a gene that makes sexual preferences for them , toward one of the same sex . They do not try to turn straight people gay , they do not try to force you to believe in their point of view . They mind their business and they do their thing . What a person does in the privacy of their home , heterosexual or homosexual is not anyones business if they are with a fellow consenting adult . Noone in my 68 years and I know homosexuals, has ever approached me or my family , my friend , my neighbors , my enemies , my boss , my employees , or anyone I have ever even vaguely known and tried to convert them to homosexuality , impossible anyway . Lets get past all this and move on . Stop forcing your religious point of view on others and live your own life as best you can and let the rest of the world do the same and stop obsessing over homosexuals who have done nothing to you or yours . No matter what religion you belong to that will not fix a homesexual so move on people and leave this subject in peace . I can not imagine anyone being offended by this but I wont apologize and if you are , shame on ya !

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kgreenwo said to Faymoose 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

Could not agree more!  We have a shortage of translators of middle eastern languages in the Military an when we need them the most what do we do?  We actually release them for being gay.  Seriously?????

I was driving into work the other day and one of radio stations was talking about the things that kids were taught in the 50s about homosexuals.  They played a clip of a movie that kids would hear in health class.  The narrator was saying that if you're hitch hiking beware of the stranger who is too friendly become you never know when a homosexual is about.  He is sick in his mind and it is contagious.  It was actually ridiculously funny but scary all at the same time.  Cause you know that there are people out there today that still believe that all gay people are pedifiles and are sick.  Does anyone seriously believe that gay people would pick this life for themselves?  Having to deal with narrow minded thinking and discrimination?  I don't think so.  So, yes, I agree with you Faymoose (nice alias by the way)......K

Faymoose said to kgreenwo 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

Well so far that makes two of us lol Carry On K , and thanks for your comments , I totally agree .

kgreenwo said to Faymoose 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

;) you too girlfriend!!

Olga said to Faymoose 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

You know, Fay, I know there's the religious piece, but I really think it's more of a guy thing. I say that because I don't know of any straight women that have concerns about lesbians, you know? And I don't get it. I mean, if guys think gays are so weak, etc., why be afraid?

Personally, I have no opinion one way or the other about gay, straight, etc., other than to say, as a Libertarian, I don't think the government belongs in social issues, especially the privacy of the bedroom.

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Deanie said to Faymoose 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

Great post!  I agree with you.  It's not something you can choose to be or not to be.  Why it has to be such a big deal, I'll never understand.  I had a son who was gay.....he didn't choose it....he just was.  He was one of the best people I have ever known.  I sometimes wonder if when folks are so threatened by gayness, it is because they are afraid they may be a bit gay themselves.  It is hard to witness the hate!

mz said to Faymoose 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

Great post!  I agree with you.   To me it is like saying if you are left handed, you can't be in the military.

I was in school in the 50's and don't remember being taught about gays at all.  I have several gay and lesbian friends.  They are great people.  I judge people by the way they treat me. 

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Faymoose said to Faymoose 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

thanks for your positive feed back . I was expecting someome to jump me but noone did , maybe the post is still young . I just think its noones place to interfere with all the above . Thanks again for your own personal attitudes .

Olga said to Faymoose 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

Maybe no one's jumped on you because they agree. Maybe it's only an issue with politicians. lol

Faymoose said to Olga 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

wouldnt that be wonderful ! Women are so much smarter than politicians !

essentially_solo said to Faymoose 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

Fay darlin, I think if anyone had the nerve to jump you about this, most of the women here would have pointed out very explictly that they are bigots and not to be taken seriously.

essentially_solo said to Faymoose 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

my son is gay and in the military, and every man in his unit has the utmost respect for him, he has saved their lives on more than one occasion...not one of them know he is gay.  It is not tatooed on his forhead, and he doesn't try to force his sexual preferences on anyone else.  He lives with honor, he lives with honesty too, and he hates that the military's dont ask don't tell policy and feels  it is dishonest and dishonorable.  He serves because he has a deep conviction that to keep our country free, people have to do their part, so he is doing his.  He has as a result of his actions in battle earned many awards, the ARCOM, THE SILVER STAR AND BECAUSE ONCE WOUNDED THE PURPLE HEART.  I ask you, are these the actions of a "pansy"?  I agree, "shame on ya" if you think that gay men and women are one whit less of human beings, brave strong americans and true patriots to their country and their beliefs.

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actionspeak said to essentially_solo 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

What a great story to share. Thank you but more importantly thank your son.

sunshinelady said to Faymoose 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

Fayemoose

You made the statement that “I was expecting someone to jump me but no one did, maybe the post is still young.” You were right the post was too young. I know that I am going to be politically incorrect in saying what I am about to… But I feel it must be said because it isn’t just me who feels this way. Many others do too they just close to seem politically correct by saying nothing. I do not mind being the fall guy and STANDING UP FOR WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE TRUE.

I had an uncle, have a son, and have many friends who are gay, please let me make that clear to you and the others. I love them all dearly, I would lay down my life for them, I would sit with them through any illness and nurse them hopefully back to health.

 

But having said that they also understand how I feel about their life style. To me it is immoral, it goes against everything God made this Earth for, it is a choice just as much as it is a choice when a known alcoholic takes a drink and keeps drinking. I do not try to sway my gay family and friends back into the heterosexual world because I know they are adults just as I am and can make their own choices. They have their agency the same as I do and I honor that agency.

 

Agency is a doubled edged sword. It gives us the right to make good choices and it gives us the right to make bad choices. If I know the consequences of over eating and still do it I get fatter and unhealthy. If a person knows consequences of drinking alcohol when they know how it affects them then they take the chance of getting into a car to drive drunk and killing someone else.  If a heterosexual person chooses to cheat on their spouse then they have to face the consequences of what will happen. If your choice is to abuse either legal or illegal drugs you will have to face consequences. If you men & women chose to live together without being married there are consequences. Yes, I think all of the above things are wrong things, most immoral. They all have consequences that sooner or later the person and those around them will have to deal with ands come to terms with.

 

A man in our community was recently arrested on 5 counts of child porn. He was well respected on his job and in the group of people he associated with. I am almost certain that in his thinking he had justified what he was doing and convinced himself to believe that he wasn’t hurting anyone….or at least anyone he knew and wanted to be respected by. But we all know that sooner or later all deviant behavior will be found out because when unchecked it grows. He was wrong… the ripple effect that has gone through the community he was in has been horrid. His family is, this week end, having to move from the only home & schools their children have known just because they need to be protected from angry neighbors. Each of us who know this man has had our life changed to a degree by what he did in privet.     

 

My life and the lives of my other children have been forever changed by a choice my son made. A choice he made to follow after another man made the choice to molest him when he was in Jr. High School. My son has a learning disability and at the time of entering teen-hood (thinking that his parents surely couldn’t understand him) he was taken in by this man (his father’s age) and taught how to be gay. And please don’t try to tell me that it can’t and isn’t taught in many incidents. Part of this ripple effect was that my son molested his younger brother and has tried over the years to convince him he is also gay. My youngest son also having a learning problem has struggled with this all his life since and will until he dies. Please don’t tell me ‘privet’ immoral acts don5t hurt anyone but the person doing them.

 

There is also a huge debate going on right now with parents & game makers. It is OK or wrong to let our kids play violent games because they will become desensitized to the violence and blood& guts. Or in 20 years will it be politically correct to let people do as the wish and kill whoever they want for whatever reason. What have we allowed being politically correct desensitize us too???

 

You all might say I am old fashioned, behind the times, stupid, or whatever you want to say about me… that’s OK with me. I will wear that proudly if it means that I will not be wavering from my core beliefs, what I KNOW to be true.

 

Now for essentially_solo….I come from a line of military patriots I am married to a Retired Army officer. I am proud of and honor any man or woman willing to put their lives on the line to preserve freedom in this world. I will say it again ANYONE!  ! !   

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Faymoose said to sunshinelady 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

Well , am glad you love your son and thats good but dont you feel that you are being hypocritcal by using the Bible as your crutch to support your decision . Homesexuality is only mentioned by that term once in the Bible . There is a reference to something in Leviticus during the downfall of Sodom but the interpetation is ambiguous. The teaching 0f the time ,offer hospitality and to make strangers welcome and they refused but there is no definitive wording as to what the main complaint was . People have made that into something it may not have been meant to be . Then there is comment about Homosexuality again in the new testament but only one sentence and its lumped together with a whole bunch of other no nos including adultry . Look at all the adulterers out there . Why would homosexuality be the thing everyone hones in on , why not adultery . For goodness sake every time you pick up a magazine , newspaper or watch Tv another adulterer is being exposed that is in some form of elected office . Why is this not taken as such a horrid sin , think of the families wrecked by someones selfish decision to cheat on a spouse. I think you would be doing the world a bigger service if you chose adulters to go after, its a much more fertile playing field .
Next I want to ask you what specifically has changed your life that your son is reponsible for ? Is he bringing home his friends and subjecting you and your family to his lifestyle ? Is he posting banners , Gay Pride around the neighborhood , trying to convert young people , passing out forms to get new recurits , attacking straight people , what exactly has he done that has hurt you other than do something that you have outdated views on ? I think your arguement is selfish , from your own point of view only and relying on misinformation from the Bible . I might even guess you have never even read what the bible says about homosexuality . I also wonder if you really understand that this is not about choice . Your son was born this way , he cant help it and God created all of us . The Bible is a great book but it also recommends slavery . Surely you dont plan on buying yourself a slave ? Try and see what can be used from the Bible and apply that to your life and see the things that were written long before we were as educated as we are today . I hope you love your son enough to change your feelings about his life style and I will say a prayer that you can .

sunshinelady said to Faymoose 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

Faymoose

I would like you to clear something up for me. When in my post did I mention ANY Biblical references? Yes I did mention God once. I will also ask if you really read my post totally or just got blue in the face and smoke out of your ears, at the start, because I had an opposing view. Because if you had read it all you would not be asking me some of the things you have ask.

 

You: Why would homosexuality be the thing everyone hones in on, why not adultery.

Me: from my post: If a person knows consequences of drinking alcohol when they know how it affects them then they take the chance of getting into a car to drive drunk and killing someone else.  If a heterosexual person chooses to cheat on their spouse then they have to face the consequences of what will happen. If your choice is to abuse either legal or illegal drugs you will have to face consequences. If you men & women chose to live together without being married there are consequences. Yes, I think all of the above things are wrong things, most immoral.

 

You: Next I want to ask you what specifically has changed your life that your son is responsible for.

Me from my post: Part of this ripple effect was that my son molested his younger brother and has tried over the years to convince him he is also gay. My youngest son also having a learning problem has struggled with this all his life since and will until he dies. Please don’t tell me ‘privet’ immoral acts don’t hurt anyone but the person doing them. (I will all so add without getting too detailed and into family confidences, the years of therapy to help a child deal with molestation, money, time, stress, loss of my job because I had to be with him in therapy and it was also a huge factor of my EX husband leaving because he couldn’t take it. GEE I wonder how it has affected me, I will not go into how the other children were affected. There are also the HIV tests my other son has to keep having.)

 

You: Is he bringing home his friends and subjecting you and your family to his lifestyle?

Me: YES HE WAS

 

You:  Is he posting banners, Gay Pride around the neighborhood, trying to convert young people, passing out forms to get new recruits, attacking straight people?

Me: Yes he has done many of these things and still is doing them where he lives. I had a drawer full of the fliers and posters he and his friends left on the doors in my neighborhood, things my neighbors brought to me begging me to try and put a stop to it so their young children didn’t see the explicit photos that some contained. The only way I could put a stop to it, for those neighbors, was to move. He went beyond my neighborhood and would post things in my blog and myspace. I have since had to drop the blog and myspace.

 

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Faymoose said to sunshinelady 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

I apologize . You are dealing with a lot more than just a gay son. I feel as I do and answered your posts after reading it all and generalized about objecting to having a gay son with out any specifics from you . It is impossible to know what each and every person is going thru and this is poor judgement on my part . My point is that we are all equal under God and the majority of gay folks are not molesting brothers , or trying to force their views on people who really arent open to this sort of thing . Your son is in a different class than the average homosexual and Im sorry for you and for him . I still think we all deserve equal rights and equal opportunity . I spoke of the bible just to cover that base and people read the bible to see the teachings of God . Perhaps you learned them another way . I am not angry . Just tired of gay bashing . You have a much more serious situation and I am sorry to have misunderstood you . I did read your entire post . I hope you find a solution and I hope this experience doesnt make you assume that is how all gays behave . Good luck

twoflod said to sunshinelady 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

I like to read the stuff that you reference from the Bible because there is not one word in the Bible about LESBIANS.iT'S ONLY ABOUT  MEN.hOW VERY SMALL YOU MUST BELIEVE YOUR gOD IS THAT HE ONLY LOVES "YOUR KIND."

essentially_solo said to sunshinelady 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

the only problem I have with your statement is that you seem to think sexuality is a choice.  I say to you, it is not a choice.  No person in their right mind would CHOOSE to be a social pariah, disinherited from their families and live the misery of hiding who and what they are just to be acceptable to others.  There have been  many studies indicating it likely that homosexuality is based in the human genome.  Therefore created by the God you use to condemn such individuals.  It is NOT a choice, it is a genetically inherited trait, as is evidenced by your own family history.  What is created by God cannot be condemned by God, you cannot have it both ways.

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Boston Blue said to Faymoose 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

some people are small minded.  I come from a very large metropolitan city.  I have known gay people all my life.  I have the utmost respect for the people I know that are gay. There are a lot more worse things then being gay.  I have a daughter who is straight and has been a drug addict since she was sixteen and she is now 34 I would much rather her be gay and happy and not a drug addict if I had my way.  So count your blessings if gay is all they are.

Boston Blue said to Boston Blue 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!
you go girl!!!!!!!
Faymoose said to Boston Blue 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

Good response

Cher55 said to Faymoose 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

I agree with you, and hope that they'll be allowed to marry in every state in this country some day.  I think it's ridiculous that they are still treated like second class citizens, all because of their sexual preference.  I have several friends that are gay, and they are wonderful people who deserve the same rights as every American.  I think they should be allowed to serve openly in the military, so they don't have to live in fear of being discharged.   

Faymoose said to Cher55 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

What do people keep insisting its a choice for ? If its a choice than each of us can make that choice . I can't choose to be gay . I couldnt live that lifestyle and its a not something I can choose . You either are gay or you arent . Why on earth would people just pick being gay with all the problems that go along with it . Its like choosing to be crippled or deaf or any disablity . They arent predators , or child molesters ,, its just so dumb on the part of so many educated people . Think about it people , if its a choice why cant you choose to be gay ? If some people are facilitated with that choice then its STILL SOMETHING THEY ARE BORN WITH . Just think about it .

sunshinelady said to Faymoose 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

Faymoose

There are studies that prove that alcoholics have a predisposed gene that makes them more likely to be alcoholic. The right thing for them to do is to stay away from alcohol totally. If the alcoholic that was driving a car drunk years ago had stayed away from the alcohol, my sister and her 2 daughters (under the age of 12) would not have lost their husband/father. Are you telling me that because he was from a long line of family alcoholics that it was OK for him to drink and drive? Was it OK for him to ACT on his predisposed.

 

The same is true with drug abuse and dependant personalities. The right thing for them to do is to stay away from drugs.

 

The same is true for someone born with a mental illness that makes them violent. Is it Ok for them to stop taking their meds and go out and Kill?

 

If you say that Gays don’t have a choice then at some point the world will want to say the pedophiles are BORN that way, killers are BORN that way so everyone …because they were born that way has the right to do anything they want to. I was born with a predisposed of depression… do I have the right to refuse to take my meds and treat my family like crap just because I’m not happy? Yes that is a relative ‘mild’ thing to compare this to.

 

Or maybe if a child is born with a handicap we should throw our hands up in the air and say HE/SHE was born that way why try to help them grow and improve?

 

I think this might be my last post on this subject… not because you have won or that I have changed my values about it…But because…I KNOW WHAT I KNOW, GOD KNOWS WHAT I KNOW, AND I WILL NOT DENY IT ! ! !    

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Faymoose said to sunshinelady 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

You are misrepresenting what I am trying to say also . Yes there are genes for most of the above and in a perfect world yes , people should just stop . Like dieting , its difficult and not everyone is strong enough to get past their cravings , whatever they should be . I think there is confusion between a pedophile and a homosexual here . Everyone that kills is not genetically programmed to do that but some are should a situation come up and no of course they shouldnt be allowed to do it . A child molester has no place out and about and yes , they should be contained . We all have something and they are not all equal in seriousness . My focus was on homosexuals and not every other problem in AMerica . Maybe that will come next week . I stand by my belief that most homosexuals are not out to rape people or break laws and I offer no more apologies . Im sorry you were upset . This has never been intended as a win or loose situation . Gosh , that is defineatly not the point .Its asking for second thoughts and tolerance .

essentially_solo said to Faymoose 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

wtg faymoose, I agree, this forum is not about arguments, it is about debates, and it is my humble opinion that if one doesn't understand the difference between the two they should perhaps not post, but that is just my  opinion.

As for sunshine's argument for her opinion, it's full of holes, you have pointed out most of them.  Unfortunately, debate is not what she was posting for, she was simply expressing her beliefs and got really upset when someone challenged her.  I've always enjoyed a good debate about my belief systems, it gives me the opportunity to take a fresh look and perhaps to re-evaluate the system I hold to, it's called growth.  A pity some simply refuse to grow.

essentially_solo said to sunshinelady 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

Sunshine, I would love to see your face when you arrive in heaven and find out after your entire life that you didn't "know what you know".

twoflod said to Faymoose 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

The older I get the more I am surprised about people.I have been a lesbian my entire life.At 20 I  never thought I was anything but straight,thank God because I got married and have my wonderful son.You are right when you say this is not a life style anyone would choose.I have lost jobs,homes and friends because of my life.,But I alsohave a partener that I have had for 221/2 years.We have gone thru menopause together,all the age related ilnesses one has from smoking,obbetsity,etc. and now were are facing retirement together.Oue gaol is to find a climate we can handle,a cost of living we can live with,and the kind of women I have met on this web site.Thank all of you for letting us just be us..........twoflod

Faymoose said to twoflod 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

and why shouldnt you be you . This whole gay straight thing needs to be laid to rest forever . Get over it people . You cant change things like this so get over it . God loves us all , he doesnt pick and choose .

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essentially_solo said to Faymoose 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

AMEN, God created us all, as we are, and he loves us in spite of ourselves sometimes.

Chick said to Faymoose 02/02/2010, 07:16PM new!

I really think if people would quit talking about same sex "marriage" and start talking about civil unions, there would be lots less controversy.  Male and female, male and male, female and female, whatever, make it a civil union under law.  Let each religion decide who can "marry".  I really think semantics has a lot to do with it.

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