Vibrant Nation

I really do not understand the animosity towards Palin.  I am not a Palin fan, I thought she was a poor choice for VP, but the nastiness towards her is just way out there.  I thought the Beauty Queen comment was totally uncalled for.  Is it now a crime for someone in the public eye to be attractive?  And why do you care if she is making money, does it somehow cause a problem in your life?

The President has written books and made a bundle, so what?  He is an attractive man, so what?

Did I say something about her being a Beauty Queen??? You need to re-read the posts Chick.  However, I don't like her, I think she's phony, sneaky and annoying.....It"s really that simple.

me too.

;-)

Of course, then there's this article on the "first dude" - eeeewwwww!!

http://www.adn.com/email/newsreader/story/1125994.html

Sorry, I should have put that under Buzzingbee's comment.  Clicked in the wrong spot.  She might be all the things you say, I have no idea and really don't care, I see no real future for her in politics.  But I do think a lot of women have a problem with her looks and I just don't understand why.

the problem I have with SP is that she 'knows' she looks good and flaunts it.  I don't like any women who hold themselves up as better than anyone else.  She just bothered me from the get go so I don't take her seriously in anything she does.  I don't waste my time on people like her, not in the media or real life.

Can you describe how she "knows" she looks good and flaunts it?  WOuld you rather she not wear makeup?  Not wear nice clothes?

What do you mean by flaunting it and holding herself up as better because of her looks?

The jealousy is rampant.  Who'da thunk. 

Yep.  I think it is freakin' hysterical.  So many grown women still stuck in the adolescent junior high lunch room clique.    Gives new meaning to the term "Mean Girls".  rofl

Mrs O "knows" she looks good too, and "flaunts" it.  I have never heard either of them say "Wow, ugly people suck". 

It's all that winking and whatnot (pitbull vs hockeyman crap).  She gets on my last never - just such a phony.

Its not her looks that count ,its all the dumb comments she makes  and not knowing anything about  our politics ,Remember the answer she made about the Bush docturn  plus EVERYTHING else ,not knowing that Korea is two countries or that Africa is not a country  but a continient,Oh and a real good comment in her book  was ,,If God had not  intended  for people to eat animals why did he make them out of meat.You would think she could have phrased that a little different ,I hope the TEA PARTY is televised so we can hear some of her crazy comments

Oh yeah. So much entertain value there. 

You are right.  There apparently is 7 x the value in Palin's book than there was in BOs.

Yep.  She sold 7 x over what he did. 

http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/4463

Not bad for a lipstick wearing, pit bull soccer mom, who knows she looks good and flaunts it.

Much like Michelle O.

OK....Here's from her speech at the Tea Party:  "How's that hope-y, change-y stuff workin' out for you?" (I'm sure it was followed by a winky winky)

What a genius!!!  Full of meaningful and politically intellectual substance, as usual.

Folksy talk apparently annoys you.  It was an opinion statement, not a factual one.

Goodness knows there is a lot of unsubstantiated  by any fact basis opinion posted on this board.

She can't talk folk speak without annoying you.  When BO says "Listen Up"...does that annoy you too?

It truly annoys me when he says..........'I didn't want to do this, but I had no choice' (the helpless victim; escaping accountability)................or when he lectures us like children (the 'daddy')...............

most people that bought the book was looking for all the nonsense  and comical  statements she spouts ,It certainly wasn't for her intellingence ,lot of people bought it because they dont like her politics and wanted to see what she had to say which SHE ended up only doing the blame .blame ,blame  thing LOL

That is your opinion of the book but you cannot possibly speak for the 2.8 million buyers who kept it a NYT Top 10 best seller for 10 weeks (and it only dropped to #11 last week, its 11th weeks since publication).  No other non-fiction book received as many advanced sales prior to publication than Palins--none.

How can you possibly speak for 2,799,999 other readers?  Did they all call to tell you they bought it and why they did...or did you call them and poll them?

Do you have any sort of evidence or poll that supports this statement?

And as far as the 2.8 million if thats true.... Thomas Tusser was right:  A fool and their money are soon parted.  Then they are 2.8 million fools who just gave up their money to someone they think so poorly of and they made her a millionaire.

She's laughing all the way to the bank at their ridicule no doubt.

But somehow--I don't buy your claim as accurate unless you show me proof.  But then again, I didn't buy her book either.  I'm not a huge fan of hers, but I think all the vitriol against her is absolutely mind boggling.  

Yeah she made money ,I didn't buy her book either  [and how many did she buy herself ]   The tea party and the book   didn't help her case at all,  Did  you see the polls tonight ,I think that proves my point

Is this your form of entertainment then.  Sad.  I'm sure you can make up a few for her and pass it along as "proof" and the sheep shall follow.......Wow, surely there something else you can do with your life.  Just curious, have you read the book?

I read what I could stomach of the book.When someone puts this much blame on  everyone  and everthing  else ,How could i possibly read it .She is the one resposible for everything thats happening to her.and of course like everybody that writes a book about themselves  its going to make them seem like the best person on earth.,.I'm sorry   but I cant even come close to understanding this one. The e-mail thing with TOAD will be next on her agender,theres something boiling up there, I cant wait

Wait a second--I thought you said you didn't buy it either?  (See your response to me a few up)

So now you are saying you did read it--or at least some of it?

which is it MadamBee?  I'm confused by your answers, they are inconsistent. 

I never said I BOUGHT the book I read bits and pieces of it overall to let me know exalty  WHAT SHE HAD TO SAY  I DID NOT READ THE BOOK AS WORD TO WORD ,IT WAS BORING AS HELL  AND WHAT I DID READ WAS  blame ,blame , blame   like she always does  I didn't buy the book  it was provided to my  actors guild as a  prompt for one of our humorous  plays we do      Is this a big issue with you   I DID NOT AND WOULD NOT BUY HER BOOK  I will buy Levi Johstons book .  I bet thats worth reading

Oh I see.....You wont read a former governors or former VP candidates book because its boring but you will read a book by someone whose only claim to fame is impregnating another teenager and posing nude for Playgirl magazine?

ROFLMAO

I dont think Levi Johnston can print unless it is with a crayola.

We are doing a video of our play about  Sarah Palin, my friend Sally who will be playing Sarah  is much much better than  Tina Fey    I"m sure you will find it really funny

I did enough research on her as a governor    to know her stance on the issues of government,But hey didn't Todd impregnate  Sarah as well  ,SO WHAT THE  HELL    and now the e-mail thing   ROLFMAO

Sorry, but as soon as you said you were looking forward to a book by Levi Johnston........the laughter erupted.  Hard to take anything seriously after that. 

Enjoy your play.  I hope Sally enjoys her moment in the sun. 

Goodness knows I'm enjoying it all.

So am I    LOL

hes as capable of writing a book as she is  ,Hes the one who probably has all the good stuff on Sarah.I wonder if he blames anyone for his playboy thing   he might be making as much money as she is

"He might be making as much money a she is?????"

ROFLMAO yet again.  MadameBee,  let me help you with the math here.  He's a dead beat dad who is whining he can't pay his childsupport.

He made $105K in 2009 which includes his laughable pornographic debut as a playgirl model...and he at least has the modicum of brains needed to recognize that was his one shot and that he won't make that in 2010.

http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/bristol_palin_tells_deadbeat_levi_QoqpUWVDwbnUj0EkKp7J4H

He has not had a single underwriter or an advance to write a book.  Oh he hsays he is writing one...but no publisher has bitten.  They know what he is-- He's a teenage bozo who knocked up his girlfriend and then posed for Playgirl.  ANd oh by the way--the gay guys who buy playgirl thought he wasn't all that. 

Sarah Palin received $1.25 million just as a retainer to write her book;  her story was worth that before she ever participated in producing a single page.  How much she has actually made as a best selling author in the Top 10 of the NYT best sellers for 10 straight weeks is unreported at this time but is no doubt in the multi millions:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/33495409/

He's a tool .  He's a fool.  And this post is the last time I'll even acknowledge he draws breath.  

When Palin bashers start throwing down their support for Levi Johnston................all the rest of us have to do is sit back and let them.  It's that repugnant.

LOL

And we know she will soon disapear  so it doesn't matter about her anymore

If SP is someone who will soon disappear you sure seem to spend a lot of time worrying about her, reading about her, and participating in plays about her, etc.  Doesn't seem too irrelevant to you at all.  In fact, your life seems all wrapped up in her.  You and  your pals are so into her you are even looking forward to reading the crayon memoirs of a teenage lothario who fathered her grandkid.

Apparently she gives you something to live for with passion.  Disappear?  She apparently is the center of your universe.  And of Sallys too.

Tootles, MadameBee.  Its been fun.........

You can bet Im going to track every move she makes  ,I love seeing a fool in motion LOL, My research on her is extensive and it will be published  when she  does her melt down  .wait until you read my book ,and its all [fact ,fact, fact] all fact checked from every source possible ,The one thing I cant figure out though,is what  it is that makes people think shes so smart  ,thats what I'm also  researching now ,no one seems to be able  to give me an answer to that  question .Do you have one ,if so   then answer this .Why would you vote for Sarah Palin,and what, in you ALL YOUR WISDOM  would you say other people see in her

I woudlnt vote for her; I havent even bought her book.

I just think its asanine how many women get all hot and bothered about her over things that dont matter.  Go after her politics if you like; but being bpetty about her glasses, her choice of alma mater, her  book...roflmao.

Petty petty petty. Women make our gender look bad when that's what they post about.  Go after her policies--you've not ever once seen me defend her polciies.

Just petty, childish, adolescent, tear her down as a woman crap.

Oh--have you gotten an advance to write that book on her?  Let us know when you do, will you.    And let us know when that insipid teenage lothario does as well.  Good luck with finding a publisher to fund that. 

You dont mention why she wrote the book ,was it to pay all her debt to Alaska , and her legal fees and WHY WOULD YOU VOTE FOR SARAH PALIN

I dunno chick...in environmental circles she's known as 'Caribou Barbie'.  When it comes to wolves, she's about as bloodthirsty as they come.  Nothing beautiful about that.

Wasn't the purpose of eliminating some of the wolves to allow the Caribou population to grow? Not sure how that qualifies a bloodthirsty.

I'm not an environmental scientist, but everything i've read states that killing off the wolves won't increase the number of caribou.  they killed the last wolves in scotland more than 100 years ago, and the native red dear have overpopulated to the point where some die of starvation.  let's not forget that wolves kill only to eat, not for sport; that's better than can be said for humans.  maybe we should chase her in a helicopter until she can't run in her high heels anymore....

I'm not an environmental scientist, but everything i've read states that killing off the wolves won't increase the number of caribou.  they killed the last wolves in scotland more than 100 years ago, and the native red dear have overpopulated to the point where some die of starvation.  let's not forget that wolves kill only to eat, not for sport; that's better than can be said for humans.  maybe we should chase her in a helicopter until she can't run in her high heels anymore....

because she was promoting game hunting of moose and caribou they were becoming scarce ,she was killing off the wolves so the hunters could have more fun, the wolves are Gods creatures to ,dont they have a place in  Alaska along with all the other animals, or was the killing for her pleasure since shes a big game hunter as well

It is no longer legal to kill wolves in Alaska

Thank goodness. We've learned from the disastrous culling of wolves from Yellowstone Park and resultant ecological damage. Who knew the beauty and the balance of an ecosystem would rely upon this predator?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jan/29/endangered-habitats-washington-state

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Yellowstone_Ecosystem

yep, i know it, mb, but she and murkowski (her predecessor) buth found some loophole in the law.  it's going on right now.

The letter I recieved from PETA  is that it has stopped and is now a pending law

For me it's not animosity about being attractive or how she looks. I believe she is going to have an impact on various 2010 elections. She's scheduled to speak at a number of candidates rallies - her credibility is at question and we need to continue to review her policy statements, background, what she says at rallies, and her qualifications to give opinions - everyone can speak out - but if you put yourself in the political arena - it's fair game. I don't count her out for future public office - there's a lot of hateful people out there who love supporting a candidate who promotes hate - and Sarah gets away with it. We also need to look at what is coming out of Alaska about her husbands involvement in her policy decisions. All of this is totally fair game and as long as she's out there - we need to continue to demand a review of her qualifications to make any statements for other candidates, or for herself. I find her to be a very dangerous politician - one who breeds ill will, racism, and spouts out about people being non patriotic - whether these things are true or not - she makes the statements and can cause great harm to others. 

wow, lily, the most articulate and well-thought-out response i have heard in this entire discussion.  i don't hate her because she's pretty, or dresses well.  i hate the fact that she may get votes because of it,as far as i'm concerned without merit.  In fact, with qualities that would have had her laughed out of the political arena not so long ago.

Lilly, you did make a well articulated arguement for why you are engaged in the SP debated.  However you lost it at the end when you typed the follwoing:  "Whether these things are true or not -- she makes the statements and can cause great harm to others."

OK I'll accept that. How do you live by these principles yourself then? Look at some of the claims you have made here on VN:

1.  That she may not have graduated from college.  (Despite the fact that her alma mater, University of Idaho, claims her as an alumni from the class of 1987 on their own university website and has a whole page devoted to her.)

2.  That  she personally pocketed the $100 contributions people made to her PAC for a signed copy of Going ROgue.  ( Despite the fact that the ABC story that brought this to liberal attention for all of 6 seconds itself clearly said the money was directly donated to the PAC).

These statements that you contributed to the public psyche -- true or in this case NOT TRUE -- can also cause harm. 

Dallas Lady - first of all you jumped the gun - I asked to see her transcripts but never said I was certain she didn't have a degree - but, stranger things have happened then a university saying someone graduated - but when you get down to seeing the transcripts - some things were glossed over to allow a degree - I know you think this can't ever happen but it can.  Because we know little of her education the way to get the info is to see her transcripts. At some point it's gonna happen - the public will get the info. On donations - I think that more is most likely there about the sale of her book for contributions. I don't think it was just the $100 contributions you are talking about - there were ads running to get a copy of her book for an unspecified donation. Guess we will have to wait and see how this all shakes out. During the pres campaign I heard so many really nasty comments made by Palin on the campaign trail - I put nothing past her. It was her rallies that brought out the crowds with folks calling others communists, terrorists, and some carrying monkeys. When I heard her speak it made me sick - all character attacks of the lowest kind. I've also listened to entertainment news programs promote Palin's nastiness - I find her dangerous. And I make no bones about it - I don't find her to be very intelligent but that doesn't mean she can't get elected. 

Oh... and by the way?  I dont WANT a soccer mom as a world leader. For any country, much less mine. That's almost as bad as an actor for a president... oh wait a second there...

It is my deepest desire -in American politics- to see the Republicans disengage from the madhouse of conspiracists and religious zealots that  has become their party.  And get back to the business of govt. I am a liberal who WANTS the balance of an opposite political party.   WIthout that balance, our own party's perspective becomes warped.

To continue having to react to the hysterical extremists who support Palin and her ilk, wastes everybody's time and energy.  There is (literally) a world of things to attend to.  And instead, we are spending time and money swatting at flies who are buzzing around their own crap... and demanding that everybody else attend to it as well.

As a high end luxury industry person (landscape designer), I thrive under either PARTY line; when it is in balance, the people feel safe about their income and spend it. The other industries who depend upon me thrive as well. (especially all those "horrid Mexicans" who do the work no one else would- God love 'em!!!- and he does btw you so called hateful/fearful Christians out there)

Its happening... I have the great delight to see it in my own family.  People who have voted straight Republican party line for decades (In order to have a fiscally conservative ecoonomy and gun control issues attended to, NOT anthying religiously based!) voted for President Obama as well. 

Yeah-that's right... stood in crazy long lines at the polls to vote AGAINST their own party, as it has dissolved into a slathering looney bin of extremists and religious zealots.   Didn't "refuse" to vote (as we liberals tend to do when we dont like our candidates (like thats a statement, it's just being apathetic).

Educated, science based industry republicans voted AGAINST the madness. The party WILL break away from these people.  Watch them. In a true Republican spirit of not being told what to do & think by the "govt", they will distance themselves from the hysterionics and conspiracists and religious contorters.

This country was founded upon the principles of political BALANCE.  Politics is nothing if not organic in it's ability to change to meet the challenges- it can not maintain imbalance for any real amount of time.

I hope Palin IS the best the Republican party can come up, because she will not carry the party into any higher office than that of "class clown".

Well said.  It really is amazing how ugly and hateful the posts get when those of us who Don't and Will Never agree with that dimwit Palin voice our opinions.  The ladies on this site who are always accusing others of personal attacks should read their owns posts.

oh, yeah, and i'm neither bitter nor old.  just dislike it when injustice masquerades behind a pretty face and makes our entire gender look like there's only one way to market an idea.