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I wrote about this once before. I now take a antidepression, (I just started a week ago) but I still fell like I sinking into a pick of fear & sadness & I'll never get out.
My biggest problem is that I want to know why I feel this way, what caused the depression in the first place. I was happy most days & not afraid to face what challanges were put before me.
I also never complained about anything as much as I do about this. My firends are probably tired of me, but they are good people are listen & try & help.
I know I should just find help & talk it out with a dr. but myinsureance doesn't cover it. So here I am compalining to you ladies.
Thanks for letting me vent.
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honey I know your feeling Ihave been this way for 25 yeara ND Hve been on antideoressant that ling too just live each day no one understands
Hello mrs. artis, no i cannot say i totally know what you are feeling but i do know pain. i know what i have felt when i was feeling so blue i did not no what to do. for me God put a paintbrush in my hand and i painted all kinds of pictures.some look happy some look sad.it helped me to work through some childhood pains of growing up.i today share the pictures and the stories behind them to let someone else know,how i fought my way through a down periord in my life. FOR ME it was Divine Intervention that gave me a reason to keep on painting..keep on going.I had to deal with real truth about my feelings and it was hard but facing myself is how i was healed from hurt of long ago.My story is my story and we must tell our stories because it sometimes help us to heal. In my own way i find understanding in your words..people do care and keep reaching out to us here at the vibrant nation site. PEACE....right NOW to you......
I don't think that it is as important to find out the cause as much as it is to find a solution. I find that what worries us and hangs heavy on our minds are the things that we feed. Don't feed it. I know easier said than done.Right? But build your days around the things that need done. Like your job, concentrate on that. Give it 120% at work. Go early, stay late. When you get home, do what needs done at home, Laundry, cleaning, check your email, balance your bank statement, etc etc etc......Find a good book on a subject that fasinates you. Listen to talk radio where people give their opinions. It can really get you thinking.Find someone who need help and help them. Get out of yourself and help others. Usually that is when a solution comes about. When you are helping others. ANYWAYYYYYYY...... My point is, don't feed your anxiety and chances are it will not grow. And smile. It's sort of that thing that says "fake it 'till you make it". Also I read where when you are in a dumppy mood. If you smile, it actually changes your brain chemistry. I don't mean to tell you what to do but many years ago I felt myself sinking into a deep hole when my husband left our marriage. We had 4 small children and I had never worked outside of the house for the 10 years that we were married. I didn't know what I was going to do. I was paralyzed. This was 18 years ago. I now know that everything passes. And in the meantime there are certain steps we can take until it does pass. Steps like what I just described. I hope this helps. By the way, Don't let yourself get too tired or too hungry or too dirty. Seriously, there were weeks that I gave my kids a bath and fed them and put them in clean clothes for school but never spent any time on myself. I looked like I crawled out from some rock. Same clothes for 3 or 4 days. Greasy hair. No makeup. I bet my 2 oldest boys were so embarrassed. They were 9 and 10 at the time. Keep me posted. I will pray for you.
thank you Maria50. I too have been fighting depression and severe anxiety. I have been seeking professional help but what you say here is something much stronger and encouraging to me then any counselor has ever spoken. thanks agaiin.
Beautifully and lovingly said Maria50.
Thank you so much. I will work on building my days on what needs to be done & keeping busy, & I'll keep smiling.Thanks for telling me what to do, I really needed a push in some direction to get me thinking & moving with a purpose.
Thanks you, I did what you advised, and it helped. I work part-time, in between time I love to quilt & read. So that's what I did, started a new quilting project. Reading is my escape, love to read just about any thing, and I love to wallk so with weather permitting, I walk, & walk & walk, helps so much, to clear my mind & look at the beauty around me. Thanks again. Let's keep in touch. I can use another friend!
Try your best to figure out what your sad about. Pick just one thing and share it with this wonderful group of women. I guarantee you will get some good advice if you open up and tell them as much as you can.
Rest assured the antidepressants take a few weeks to work. I think it will be a big help. They are good for lifting the cloud of depresseion so you then can tackle the problems. I am not depressed but am having real anxiety about my next life step. Just pulled out of the boyfriend's driveway where I was living never to return. I am in California renting but have no idea where I want to land; this gives me anxiety. I keep thinking/believing I will "know" one of these days. I'm weighing my options and trying to figure out where I want to set up my own home.
Of course I never thought at this time in my life I would have this uncertainty. I think maria50 was right...stay busy, fill your days with things that make you feel even just a little bit better, think positively, visualize yourself feeling better and trust that the drugs will kick in and the cloud will lift.
Hi gail maria,
Boy, are you ever making a lot of changes in your life since we last posted about nose-hairs & tweezers!!!
Good for you to be leaving the boyfriend's home where you were not happy. Changes are anxiety-provoking/evoking; they are taking us away from something familiar into unknown territories. Just moving itself is listed as one of the major stressors in life: right up there with death, divorce and birth of a child.
I'm with you re: anxiety: this last year was my year from hell: moving out of the marital home, divorcing (ending a relationship of 25 years & having my 16-year old son blame me for the break-up of the family), a death, and I'm fixin' to move again at the end of March in 2 months, this time to where I've wanted to live for the last 25 years. All I have is faith that things will turn out for the better, and that I'll find a job somehow!!!
I wish you much luck and strength in your journey. I have a feeling that you will do quite well for yourself: you are talented, you have many resources and strengths, and a lot of energy and good humour.
I will keep a special place in my heart for both you and your tweezers, girlfirend! ;)
Take care, Suz55
Thank you all so very much for your comments & advise. I don't know what I'd do if I didn't find this great website. All that was said, about keeping busy, smiling & helping others will be taken very seriously. I'll keep you all posted.Thanks again everyone!!
debanne, I've been trying to figure out how to respond so that only you see my answer - sometimes we just don't want to bare our souls to God and everybody - I know it can be done because I've gotten private posts...but then, there are a few things I can share with you that may help. Even so, this will be longer than I would like to post (or read) on VN. Sorry. I'm just in the same boat and want to help.
Most of us were taught that if we could identify the problem, then we could formulate a solution. That's partly true, but often even when you know the root cause, it's just another piece of the puzzle. There's learing to cope with it; or trying to get to and accept the root cause (which often requires professional help). The nasty fact is that you ARE depressed or you do have anxiety, or even worse, clinical depression and/or anxiety disorder. The internet is a great place to do some research on which is which and resources for information and help. I am responding as a sufferer, not a professional, so take what I say with that in mind. Generally, I agree with an earlier post. At this point, I don't care what's causing it, I just want it to go away.
As to generally being depressed, pick your crisis and join the crowd. There is everything from grief, loss, divorce, a bad hair day, to facing day after day of television programming aimed at our lowest common denominator, not to mention our country going in the tank. Life ain't for sissies - but it is so precious compared to the alternative. So, yes, sometimes we just have to show up and suit out while we search for the normal happy. If, in fact, depression looms larger, affecting your relationships, your work, and your feeling of worth, it probably won't get better without help. Either way, a good place to start is a good medical exam and frank discussion with your doctor. Sometimes it is something as simple as an inactive thyroid or too much or not enough of some basic vitamin or mineral. Or hypertension which can be a sneaky little devil. Mine is usually normal especially when I'm in the doctor's office, but it spikes in the middle of the night. Took a while to figure that out. It's called episodal BP disorder - usually more commonly occurring when one is confronted by something that scares them or makes them angry. Not me! Mine comes for no reason at all - well, I guess IT has a reason, but I've not been able to tie it to anything cognitive. As others have mentioned, there are mild medications - sometimes we just need enough relief to get back on our feet.
The doctor's first line of defense is usually medication, but as with ALL medication, you must take personal interest and responsibility for how your body reacts. It seems almost everything has one or more side effects today, and some times the cure can be worse than the problem. You can definitely get overmedicated with prescription drugs doing exactly what your doctor(s) recommended. SO, I URGE YOU TO TAKE CARE ABOUT EITHER SELF MEDICATING OR THINKING THERE IS A MAGIC PILL. Read carefully the information the pharmacy provides and watch for any significant change. If a best friend and VN are not enough support, there are support groups, psychologists, and even on-line coaching or counseling. Sometimes it's best not to share all your feelings with anybody who will listen, but this is something you'll have to decide.
As to anxiety - there are anxious moments, fears, phobias, and really debilitating anxiety attacks where you think you're dying and your body actually feels the symptoms. The classic one is thinking you're having a heart attack - you can't breathe, your arms hurt, sometimes numb or tingly, your neck or jaw hurts - everything in your body says lay down and wait for EMS - but in fact something has produced a mega dose of adrenalin (the attack or flee dose) and the quicker you can get to breathing normally and moving, the quicker the symptoms will abate.
Except for the real need to run from a 10 foot grissly bear, your first and best ally is yogic breathing. A good starter is to breathe in deeply through your nose, hold it a few seconds, and let it out slowly through your mouth. Usually, just 4 or 5 will get you back to breathing normally.
Ultimately, if you rule out basic medical reasons that typically result in depression or anxiety, and the support and caring of friends doesn't help, you probably will have to seek cognitive therapy - their words for working through whatever it is with a professional.
Briefly, I'm probably just a little further down the road than you. I live remotely, so it's sort of a self-defeating chore to get to a therapist and I'm still trying to handle it on my on. I know (or think I know) what started it. My husband had an unexpected fatal heart attack; a week later I was diagnosed with breast cancer; and a couple of years later when I though I was getting my life back together, my body decided to rebel. I'd always been healthy, happy, and optimistic, so this was all new to me. I did everything I told you to do - read, understand, talk to friends, get a good medical exam - and I did everything the doctors told me to do. That resulted in being overmedicated. It took two weeks in the hospital and months to get off everything I was being prescribed - which is why I cautioned you to take personal responsibility for medications and their unique affect on you. I had been to the ER a number of times, but once the symptoms were so severe that even they thought I was having a heart attack. In the week I was hospitalized in the cardiac care unit, they ran every appropriate test and a couple that didn't seem related. The day before I was discharged (a slow Easter Sunday), an internist was on duty and everything was so quiet that he told me he was reading patient files out of boredom. He came to my room, introduced himself, told me he was not part of my cardiac team, but that he had been reading my file and it reeked to him of overmedication. He said it happens regularly to those who are, in fact, getting good medical care. He advised me to take all the hospital's records to my primary care physician and tell him of our discussion. That was two years ago. It took months to get OFF all the medications - you can't just stop cold turkey - that, it seems, is more dangerous than continuing to take them. And, lots of blood tests. So, hopefully, you can skip the overmedication senario - just remember, I'm not telling you NOT to follow your doctor's instructions, only to take an active role in your own health care.
Please feel free to communicate with me - I'll gladly share what I've learned - although that may have nothing to do with helping you. You are right about the cost and lack of help for this particular malady which affects so many. I've only found three residential treatment centers that deal with grief, anxiety and depression NOT connected to one or more addictions (alcohol, drugs, etc). They range from $28,000 to $40,000 for a 30-day stay. So, I guess the good news is that what we have is not serious enough to warrant dedicated treatment centers which take insurance; and the bad news is that if you really need intervention help, it's expensive.
But there is always the humurous approach. Having declared that 2010 is my year to conquer this problem, I recently talked to two facilities recommended by my doctor. As to the $40K one in Tucson, I decided I could take the Hillsdale College Around the World Cruise for half the price and enjoy some facinating company. As to the less expensive one in Santa Fe, I decided that I'd rather stay at LaPosada (a 4* boutique spa hotel there) where, for a mere $9000 a month, I could enjoy their wonderful hotel with several massages and spa treatments per day. Or, I could get a hottub for about $5000 and invite my best friends over. Somewhere down that line, there is the help we each need, the trick is just finding it. So, breathe deeply and start looking...and let me know if you find anything that sounds promising.
Thanks so much for your rely. It really helps to know that I'm not the only person who is in this situation.
I think my despression started in 2008. Bad year! At first I through it was all physcial, like you I'm a very optimistic,outgoing person who loves having friends around & doing just about anything. So having this feeling of sadness & fear, just all of a sudden crying for no reason was just plain scary to me.
I've been in touch with my doctor & been through a complete physcial. The anxiety attacks were awful, I got so sick to my stomach, that i didn't know which end to hit the john with first, so I had tests done to see if anything physcial was wrong, then I went through blood work. All came back saying I was a very healthy person. So back to the dr. to see what was next & she said to start with an anit-d. So that's where i am now.
Besides taking the pills, I excise, quilt & hang around some wonderful gals who are or were in the same place I am now. The minute I start feeling sad or lonely (my hubby works nights) I go for a long walk, which really really helps.
Talking with the gals from this website has helped so much. Just knowing people understand what your going through makes you feel better & not so alone.
Again thanks for your rely. Hope all is going well for you.
I think it may be more difficult for those of us who have had it together to really comprehend that "mind over matter" is a concept, not reality. About a year ago, I had reached the point where my doctor declared me his "healthiest" patient. I understood his frustration, but at the same time, the feelings, mental and physical were/are still there; but I wanted him to understand that it wasn't great on my end either - I wasn't choosing to feel bad. So, I said that wasn't good enough - we needed to keep trying. He agreed and handed me what he had scribbled on his prescription pad - "try getting a man or a dog." I laughed and asked where I could get the prescription filled? A few months later, I adopted Jesse from cocker rescue. Spoiled as he is, he really does help, supplying some of the missing touching that is needed (again, mentally and physically). I'm still working on the man part! And I think that is brave, because at my age, men aren't prone to sudden changes in their status or place, so being rejected isn't exactly a plus to the situation. But I have faith that success, if it happens, will make up for it.
So, hang in there. I hope you'll add to this post from time to time so that we can share ideas that help. I don't know anyone personally that has this problem, so for me communication about it is NOT commiseration. In fact, I don't really talk about it except with a couple of best friends and even then it does not dominate our conversations. So VN, for me, has been a really nice addition. Discuss with no muss or fuss.
I am never without a dog in my life. I have however found myself without a man, as I am now. My dogs have brought me comfort and joy and can't imagine my life without one. They have been anchors in many storms. Thank goodness for my precious pooches!
Your are so right, having a dog really helps! I have a man, but it's just very hard for him to under stand what I'm going through. Now that I'm taking anti-d pills he thinks all will be well within a few days, I have to keep reminding it'll going to take awhile.
If it wasn't for Jasmine (my dog, she's a husky) who feels my needs I'd be lost. Walking, I find has helped me so much & Jasmine is very willing to accompany me. She is so very spoiled, but she's my life saver ( my hubby works night I work part-time during the day)
Again, I'm like you, just a few of my friends know, because they have been & are going through depression, I'm not one to talk about it all the time, trying to keep my emontions up beat, so VN is wonderful!
When I first had an attack i thougth that I was having a heart attack i kept going back to the dr he kept chnging my meds for nerve it just swiped my body. that was 25 years ago and I am still in the dame sahpe it has gotten me a limitrf on driving and doing things taht i use to do go I do get out and sub every now an then antidepressants sucks I amdoming down off Paxil now
Dear Sassy Senior, Good luck. I think one of the important things about your post (and so many others) is that we are each unique individuals and that we can learn from others but our journey is ultimately our own. AND if you decide the La Posada route let me take you to lunch!
Hi joyful,
Do you live by La Posada? Can I join you guys for lunch? I'm in Kansas right now; our HIGH tempature for today is 18 degrees F!!!! La Posada sounds like La Paradise to me!!! ;)
Take care, Suz 55
Come join us! But Santa Fe is HIGH desert - cold and snowy in winter, though not nearly as cold as Kansas.
Hey Joyful, I live in Far West Texas, the Chihuahuan Desert, but Santa Fe is an easy day drive. I love Posada - been going there for years. They have probably the BEST spa deal of any facility of that size and class - rooms are regularly about $300/night but the "Cloud999 Spa Package" is 3 nights, days on both sides, for $999 WITH $999 credit in the spa. I have to really work at it to use up my credit. The spa credit can be split with your husband or roommate if you're staying together in a room. I usually go a couple of times a year (my gift to myself) and will probably come again in June. So...closer to then, I'll check in and maybe we can make that lunch date. I have friends in SF, but it would be fun to meet a VN friend. Suz 55, you come, too! Everybody loves Santa Fe! Sassy
Hi, SassySenior!
(By the way, I love your screen name!) This place sounds like heaven. Do you have a website for them that I could check out? My current plans are to leave Kansas at the end of March and head to where it rarely snows (in the city, at least). You can drive TO the snow, and then you drive AWAY from the snow there. My money situation is pretty tight right now, but it isn't always going to be that way. I would LOVE to meet some of my VB sisters at this wonderful place!!! Maybe in a year or two? Let's keep it in mind!!!
Take care, Suz 55
Just google "La Posada de Santa Fe"
It's still pretty cold and snowy there this time of year, but June is FANTASTIC as is the fall. Dead summer isn't all bad. Taos is near to the north, a little more rustic and in some cases less costly. Start saving your change - I dump whats in my pocket daily in a jar - really ads up and can only be used for ME!
Hi, Sassy!
Thanks for the google info!
June and the Fall sound wonderful! Many years ago, when traveling through New Mexico, I stopped briefly (ALL too briefly!) in Taos. It was in late May, and I still remember the blue, blue skies and the white feathery clouds and the mountains beyond like it was yesterday! I really like your idea of dumping daily change in a jar! So - it this meeting of VB sisters something that might really happen in a year or two??
p.s.: I was lived in Dallas, Texas for three years. Had a blast there! :)
Hey! Don't forget me. would love to meet all my new friends who are helping me out! I live in Kansas City. MO. Been to Santa Fe many years ago, loved it.
I agree that fall is the best, the best, the best - all purple and gold.
I live in WI and am very interested in this trip also to be and meet my VB sisters.
Hey Sassy - you better give me a shout. Though most likely in June I will be sunning myself in So Cal at the beach. But ...let me know.
To Suz, Joyful, and debanne and ANYBODY who loves a good rubdown- it is absolutely possibly for us and anybody who wants to join in to meet in Santa Fe whenever we like. Since Joyful is there and I can get there easily - just let us know. Looks like Miss Joyful might be sunning herself in Southern California in June - but I'm going anyway. My friend, Billye, a banker in Houston, and I usually go together, but, I've been known to go alone. There is so much to do - and the town square is only 2 blocks from the hotel - it is a place you can go alone - but friends add a wonderful dimention. So, here's to LaPosada asap or in 2011!
I'm trying to be good and mind my sugars which is a thread that picks up later in this post about anxiety, and get my life back. Also, I'm dating a retired MD from New Mexico. Maybe that will help (-: although I haven't mentioned anxiety to him. Happy Valentines, everyone.
more info please as to where it is, name of hotel/facility. Price. I need to see if I can afford this wonderful sounding trip. I am in the process of snowbirding in AZ and living in WI the other six months a year due to weather conditions. Please keep me informed if this is a go as I would really like to attend and meet you all if I can swing it, and next year if I can't swing it this year.
anyone live in WI from VB that would like to get together?
Hi joyful,
Boy, if I could afford it, I would be there in a New York minute!!! (Aren't we getting geographical, here!) ;) I am leaving Kansas at the end of March and headed to where it rarely snows. Our high here in Kansas today is a sweltering 34 degrees Farenheit! ;0
Nothing, however is fully impossible. I would love to join you guys - perhaps in a a year or two - seriously - it'd be a blast to meet in person some of my VB sisters!!!
Take care, Suz55
to Suz,joyful and sassysen., Meeting a friend from VN is awsome. I did it last month when Daringdaria came to houston while her husband was on business here. It was great. We had lunch downtown and talked about our families. We played a couple of games of pool and talked the whole time. I can;t recall a more enjoyable afternoon in a long time. We are now on facebook and my dfaughter (we found out) is in grad school close to where Daria lives in England. It is truely a small world and it gets smaller as I get older. Do try to get together. You will always remember it fondly.
Hi maria50,
So you met your VB sister from England in Houston?? Wow!!! You are right - the world IS getting smaller and smaller! And now you have a "reason" to go to England to see your VB sister!! ;) Suz55
Hi joyful,
It does still sound like Paradise! It really would be wonderful to meet up in Santa Fe: I travelled through New Mexico twice years ago, and found it absolutely breathtakingly beautiful!
Suz55
Some depression is "situational" brought on by life changes, divorce, death etc. Though grieving is appropriate in these situations sometimes our brain chemistry changes and thus we go beyond appropriate. Some depression is simply chemical - like diabetes. Soooo there may be no way to "think" your way out of this. That being said there are things that help - meditation, connecting yourself to something worthwhile (religion, political action, volunteerism, etc), exercise, exercise, exercise (and I hate it and don't do it...except when I'm depressed). If you live alone find a way to be touched - have your hair done, a facial (even those free ones at places like Merle Norman) - humans are meant to be touched and there are chemical changes that happen in our body when we are touched. It sounds like you've tapped into your creative self with the quilting. Good for you...its really important. I think it patently unfair that I do my best writing when I'm down, which may be a good argument for sticking to teaching for me! One of the best books I read on understanding depression was called Depression: the Noonday Demon. It is a big thick book full of case histories, different perspectives, etc. It won a Pulitzer a few years back. Anti-depressants take almost two months to reach their highest effectiveness and sometimes it takes some trial and error to find the right one. Whereas they didn't affect my libido (I still wanted IT), they did affect my ability to orgasm. If you have a partner make sure he/she understands this. Some people find that adding Wellbutrin to the other anit-d helps with that. Others grow out of this side effect as their bodies adjust. Be patient with yourself and learn to think of yourself as someone who is riding the wave of depression and not define yourself as "being depressed". I hope some of this helps.
PS - Mine was a situational depression (divorce and death of my father)About a year and a half on the meds helped me through the roughest parts. I made the mistake of going off the meds too soon and sunk really, really low. Couldn't eat, was on the verge of tears all the time. I had just moved to China (which was not why I was depressed) and thought I had made a terrible mistake but was so down I didn't even know how I would get myself home. I thought I'd have to call my brother to come get me...and it wasn't like I was around the corner. I was lucky in that meds worked on me within days. 6 months later I was done with them. good luck
What meds did you take that worked within days? I need to get on anti-depressants but waiting the two months it may possibly take to work is depressing in itself?
I think I was just lucky - I was taking lexapro
I love to reading so I may get that book Noonday Demon our of the library. I feel my depression started because of situational changes. It came about very slowly, first with anxiety attacks, that were so very painful, then this feeling of over welling sadnes, & fear would hit me. I got to know when those feeling would hit & I get out to walk them off, which helped sometimes. After lots of doctor visits, tests & blood work, dr. gave me the anti-d pills which I've been on for about 3 weeks now.
It hard for me to think I'm in this state, because I was always a very happy go lucky person. I never realized how hard some life changes can hit you, always thought it would happen to the other person, I'm strong, I can handle anything, boy how wrong i was.
This website & all the ladies who answered my call for help, really helped me. With my anti-d pills & you ladies, & my great friends who know about my situations I feel I'm on the right track to getting my life back together. Thanks!
Dear Debanne - Please accept my response in the sincere, loving heart that it is offered. I am just going to say it straight up. In my expert opinion, you will not find the roots of your depression while you are taking antidepressants. Chances are you will get deeper into depression or worse. I was depressed the first 38 years of my life due to severe psychological and sexual abuse in childhood. You can find a cheap copy of my autobiography, Eating My Way to Heaven on Amazon.com if you wish. But in a nutshell, I didn't find peace or answers until I tackled all my addictions including refined sugar and other comfort foods. Then the emotions I had sedated for decades could come to the surface and be addressed. It was no walk in the park, but as the title of my book suggests, the journey of walking through that hell again brought me to heaven on earth. As Winston Churchhill said, "When going through hell - keep going." Are you willing to go through hell to find peace? If so, then you can truly find the answers you seek. But you will have to give up the drugs, food, TV, shopping - whatever your collections of avoidance tools look like in order to take that journey. What I learned was this: what I did to run away from my pain caused me way more grief then finally staring it down did. Go for it girl!!! Email me if I can help further. Great love and joy can be yours.
When I was depressed I had anxiety (fear) 24/7.. butterflies in my stomach all day long. I was afraid of the things I did or said in the past.. (an hour ago is already the past) you know? I had to learn to live in the PRESENT moment and be mindful of what I was doing in the moment in order to overcome my fears. That means no thinkiing and worrying in your head as you do something, it means payinf full attention to what you are doing, making you too busy to think or worry about other things. I was also afraid of the future. I just lived in fear and had low self esteem all the time! I learned to meditate away my anxiety through creative visualization and "feeling" the fear iin my Gut or solar plexus and making it fade way. It took a while but it works. I used deep abdominal breathing as you visualize and breathe in LIGHT or positive energy and breathe out the negative energy (anxiety) visualize a grey cloud leaving your mouth as you breathe out.. Read the book EMOTIONAL AWARENESS by Gary Zukov, it might help you FEEL the energy centers in your body. It's a Chakra thing.. Do you have low self esteem?
Butterflies in my stomach, mine are more like bees! There are times when I feel so upset I can't eat for days. I'll have to purchase the book you mentioned because people have told me that meditation has helped them. I also feel so much fear, someitmes it hard to figure out what is causing that fear. I can feel when it's going to hit me, so I'll go for a walk or try & get creative with my quilting, that has helped. Just talking about it with everyone on VN has been a big help, just knowing I'm not alone. Your advise has been so helpful. Promise all you'll keep in touch!!
Debanne - Are you aware of any childhood traumas that you might have lived through? I am an incest survivor and when I went through my healing crisis I spent a year in incest groups. Almost all the women I met with anxiety disorders and depression had suffered some kind of emotional and/or sexual abuse. When the memories came back or were more clearly identified, they were able to get some relief from the depression and anxiety. Also, I still feel very strongly that what you may be consuming is contributing to your depression and fear. Do you eat a lot of sweets or refined foods?
i'm hitting the chocolates again! bad news
never heard help from anyone. thanks everyone.
debanne,
I am so sorry that you are having this experience. I do hope you will consider counseling to try and find out the cause. It sounds like you need someone to help you find out what triggered this. If your insurance won't pay for it, try to pay out of your own pocket (that's what I did with my second counselor). You are worth it!
For me, it was a divorce. About a week after my ex filed for divorce, I went to a psychiatrist (was already seeing a counselor) who put me on anti-depressants. I had not been able to sleep or eat, either (for me, it was like lead in my stomach) and I felt paralyzed (couldn't think, remember anything - boy, did I ever spend a lot of time "losing" things and trying to find them! - even the simplest thing like going to the bank to deposit a check left me shaking with anxiety close to a panic attack).
My psychiatrist put me on meds that helped me function. Slowed down the swirling thoughts, decreased the anxiety to where I was no longer shaking at the thought of going to the bank/grocery store, you name it, and helped me sleep. The "panic period" lasted about four months as my shrink and I worked out the right balance of medications. I don't think I could have made it without him/the medications. He was VERY careful with the medications, too. ALWAYS listened to me, and how I reported how I was doing. We still discuss the medications, and how I feel I'm doing.
I also changed counselors - had not liked nor felt safe with the counselor I was seeing. That helped tremendously, too.
Walking/exercise and doing your quilting are terrific ways to help yourself get through this period of your life.
I've got you in my prayers. You are not alone. Get a GOOD counselor, someone you feel safe with (you will know in your guts when you feel safe with a counselor); someone you feel you can trust. Same holds true for a psychiatrist. And use the Internet to look up the medications, if any, that you decide to try.
And yes, DO double-check your psychiatrist/doctor's suggestions for medications! They are just people, after all, not Gods. Ask questions. Get answers. Have them explain to you the side-effects of the medications and how the medications work. And then double-check on the Internet. If they won't work with you, and won't address your questions and how you are feeling, then look until you find someone who will. (You can find counselors in your area by typing in "Psychologists" and your city & state and Googling. Often, counselors will list not only their credentials, but what their specialties are.)
Sometimes we need more than just adjustments in our attitudes or activities, although that also helps tremendously. I needed more than just one tool to help me. Also, what worked for me may not necessarily be what you need. Find the right combination of tools that work for you.
I'm with you all the way. Suz55
Hi debanne,
I also wanted to say to you to try and take GOOD care of yourself. Try to eat just one nutritious meal a day. Take a multi-vitamin once a day. When I was in the worst of my 'panic period', it was chicken salad, non-fat milk and bananas. Plus multi-vitamins and other vitamins, like B-complex (for stress), zinc for my immune system and iron, because I knew I wasn't getting a balanced diet.
If possible, try to find a support group near you. You could probably find a quilting group through Meetup.com. (In my area, it's knitters & crocheters). These groups charge minimum fees, if any. (If they charge for every meeting and every thing, be careful: I found a divorce support group which on closer examination was a money-maker for the person who started and ran it. Although I desperately needed a divorce support group, I did not join that group). I found a divorce support group through a near-by church by Googling "divorce support groups for women" - and it was FREE - although not for women only. But it was very helpful.
Take care and many blessings to you, Suz55.
Great post Suz55 - Depression and anxiety are greatly amplified by sugar-laden refined foods and beverages. It is so hard to change your diet in the midst of crisis, but in my expert opinion, and in my opinion as one whose been there done that, you must clean up your vessel before you can steer out of the storm. Debanne has been ignoring my posts, but I hope she will listen to you. My heart goes out to her and everyone who is struggling with depression. I never had anxiety myself, just the opposite. I was a danger and excitement junkie. That was how I kept my pain and trauma at bay until my eating disorder and my dangerous lifestyle nearly killed me. When I finally turned and faced the music it was not nearly as big walking through it as I thought it would be. Keep going Debanne. We're all with you sister!!!
Eating2he: I'd like to hear more about your sugar theory and anxiety / depression. Can you go into a little more depth and give some of the foods to avoid?
I would too, I feel I'm eating healthy, but maybe there is more to it than i think. Thanks
You bet. Refined sugar is a depressant. It gives a 7 minute high and then it takes four hours for the body to scramble to deal with this highly toxic substance - a four hour low. Not only is the processing really toxic but it is the concentration that is too much. Eating a sugary treat is akin to eating a barrel of apples. Alone one or two would be an asset, but a whole barrel of anything is too much.
I would recommend "Sugar Blues" by William Dufty. "Lick the Sugar Habit" by Nancy Appleton PhD, "Sugar Shock" by Connie Bennet and my book "Eating My Way to Heaven". All these people are experts and professional peers of mine. My book goes deeply into the connection between my childhood trauma and my addiction to comfort foods. So does Connie's - briefly.
Truly, balls out - we are not deficient in pharmaceuticals or supplements. When we deprive the body of nutrients through refined foods and when we hammer our immune systems with painful emotions (They literally rob us of minerals physically) our system gets depressed biochemically. How could we not expect our emotions to reflect that?
We should all be living on vibrant, naturally grown whole foods and grains, using fruits as occasional treats - you can do too much natural sugar too. I use stevia and xylitol as natural sweeteners because they don't trigger my former eating disorder where things like organic cane sugar and honey can be addicting for me. My parents handed me cookies or candy to reward me because they couldn't show love any other way - dangerous pattern for a child.
An anethesiologist told my friend's father to "Stay off the three white POISONS, sugar, flour and salt." Sadly, he was right. I use whole grain organic flours sparingly, natural sugar alternatives and Himalayan Crstal salt which is natually mineral rich.
And, denial is the biggest stumbling block for healing. When we are too afraid to face the trauma that sent us into addiction and/or depression our brain makes up an alternative reality to protect us. When we are truly ready to face the music and annouce that to our subconscious mind the trauma will come back up in a kinder, gentler form that we can handle in stages.
My best advice personally and professionally is to GO FOR IT. God never gives us more than we can handle. Trust. Ask to see the trauma and take the ride. You will be richly rewarded! My life is Heaven on Earth these days.
I appaluad you both for asking. The truth is rarely pleasant at first and always life altering. Hope that helps. Love and gratitude...denise
Going to look for those books in the library. I started weight watchers becasue i wanted to learn to eat healthy. Thanks, now I'll have some more help!
Hi eating2heaven,
Thank you for your posts, eating2heaven, and thank you for the post to me.
I think we all try to do the best we can with what we've got. When in a period of crisis, we often revert back to "old" behaviors, because they offer(ed) us comfort at one time in our lives. Your posts are filled with a lot of thought and concern. I wouldn't assume that Debanne has been ignoring your posts. She has gotten a lot of really good advice here; she may be out checking these new things out! Not all posts here on VN get responses. Sometimes the posts that get responses are the ones you think wouldn't get any responses at all!
Take care, and keep posting! Suz55 :)
this is a long thread and i want to read it all. i have tears now cause what i have read makes sense. i have had a problem off and on (mostly on) since 5 y/o now 57. I have a sense of connectiveness (sp?)(is that a word?) here. Will read all after I finish the housework. Company coming. Thanks all who have taken the time to write. Have a pleasant day. Marjorie Claire
Hi Marjorie Claire,
I am so sorry that you have suffered with this for so long. Take your time with yourself, with reading these posts. Sometimes it is good to take a break once in awhile; it can get pretty overwhelming sometimes. I, too, have read posts here and wept. VN is a wonderful sisterhood, and a caring sisterhood. You take good care of YOU. Suz55
I too,have read all th posts. I feel blessed that we are all in this together, makes it easier to live through. I love being a memember of this great web site, it has helped me so very much. So ladies keep writing & sharing. It may take me awhile to post a message but I'm reading your posts every day. Love you all!
Hi debanne,
I am glad to hear from you. This is indeed a wonderful place, and there is so much good advice - and compassion and support. Keep coming back! I care about you and how you are doing! You sound better - not as anxious as your first post. How are you feeling? Did you explain to your husband that the medications take about two weeks or so to kick in?
Take care, Suz55
Hi Suz55,
I am feeling better, VN has really helped, I've been taking everyone advise & taking my pills & keeping busy. Hubby is trying to understand what I'm going through, he's been standing by me & helping anyway he can. He works nights, I work part-time during the day so some days I don't see him at all & nights are the hardest for me. I'm not a big TV watchers so that's when I walk & quilt. I put a CD in & dance around & quilt. Sounds crazy, but it's been working.
Take care,
Debanne
Hi debanne,
I am soooo glad to hear that you are feeling better!!! Funny, I didn't used to be a much of a TV watcher, so I would take my walks around sunset. It was always beautiful and peaceful around that time. In California, if I found I couldn't sleep, I'd go for walks at 01:00 in the morning - or garden (I warned all my neighbors in advance)! (But I wouldn't really recommend that for everyone or everywhere. The California police where we lived are a lot more used to slightly off-the-wall behaviors - like people taking walks in the neighborhood at 01:00 in the morning, but I still got stopped once and asked if I knew anything about some car break-ins. Given that I was in my indoor-outdoor Ugg slippers, and possibly my gender and age - 40ish) I didn't have too much problem convincing the policeman that I knew nothing about any car break-ins! You won't find me doing that in Indiana or Kansas, though!!!) Playing a CD and dancing around the house is fantastic! Sounds like your hubby is being very supportive, too. Makes me happy to hear that you are feeling better! :) Take care, Suz55 And, yes, VN is a wonderful place! :)
Didn't mean to ignor your post. Sorry, I've been trying to keep track of my diet, I've been on wieght watchers & have been eating healthy, taking my meds & vitimans. Some days I feel really great, but for some reason & yet to figure out the weekends are the hardest for me to get through. I've been keeping up with everyone who posted & I really appreciate all of your advise & throughts & prayers, believe me they have been a BIG help. Just knowing that other ladies feel this way too & I'm not alone helps me get through the day & brings me hope that I can get through this time.
Weekends are hard because they lack structure and for some people they lack a sense of purpose and also, without work, you might be more isolated from human contact. Many people, myself included, often find mornings difficult as well. Its like you wake up and there IT is again. Hang in there. We're with you.
The sugar angle is one I've not heard or tried. My food habits are really fairly good - raised on a farm and love vegetables and fruit. But I have a nasty PEPSI habit - sugar and caffeine. Started in college (pepsi instead of breakfast) and has continued lifelong. I'm not overweight, so never really had incentive to quit - but I will try ANYTHING that might make the panic attacks go away. Thanks for your post.
The sugar angle is way bigger than I have even touched on here. In my book I wrote about our Sugar Detox Center. What happened to our schizophrenic client will blow your mind, and the autistic man had a total transformation. The sugar isn't the problem in every case. But it is the drug that is keeping people from looking at or dealing with the problem, and it causes physical problems that are depressing.
The liquid sugars (Pepsi) are the worst. Don't switch to diet soda - it can be equally deadly. I do mint tea with honey, stevia or xylitol to curb my sugar cravings. I was a diet Pepsi addict and they have found that saccharine messes with our hormones (Which runs our emotions) and Aspartane causes serious brain and nervous system problems). I GUARANTEE that you will have a different life if you get off the Pepsi! Thin people have the hardest time because they don't see the problem. Kudos to you for hearing it!
Blessings to all who are suffering. My journey out was long and convoluted. It doesn't have to be that hard. But I didn't know that my abusive eating habits were part of my depression or I would have tackled it sooner. I got immediate relief when I change my diet and beat 16 years of bulimia effortlessly. Natural foods can be fun, comforting, and delicious. I am addicted to brown rice with sesame oil and toasted nori seaweed - could be worse!
The good news for everyone of you amazing ladies talking it up here is that you are awake enough to be searching for solutions and a sisterhood to support you in the process. You will find peace!!!! All my love to all of you...denise
kosher salami and chocolate pudding - not together, was about all I could eat... and then it passed and I went back to sometimes healthy, sometimes not, and the anti-depressants did their job and they've been put away too. Glad you made it to the other side of the pain as well Suz.
Hi joyful53,
Kosher salami and chocolate pudding - wow!!! You know, I was also eating chocolate chips now and again when I was in my chicken salad and banana and milk (I call it my "White Food") phase. There's ample proof that chocolate DOES do good things for one's moods. I sometimes buy those Jello sugar-free chocolate puddings - they are 60 calories each, and they definitely take care of my 'chocolate joneses'.
I am glad that you made it to the other side of the chasm too, joyful53!
Take care, Suz 55
Antidepressants can make you feel worse when you start the therapy. The action of the drug is to increase the uptake of seratonin (good feeling) in the brain. These drugs sometimes, in the beginning create so much uptake that the body needs time to replentish the supply of seratonin to the brain. In a medication trial you need to know that symtoms may worsen while your body is encouraged to produce higher levels of seratonin. I took Welbrutrin and cried my way through my daughter's commencement. Things didn't improve and then I tried another. It did not help. Then I went on Cymbalta and wow, immediately my mood went positive, I was going through a separation and needed to deal with some serious issues. I found on Cymbalta that I slept better, had a better appitite, starting moisturing my skin, buying pretty clothes and attracting positive solutions to my problems. My anxiety lessened and became more managable. Everyone is different and has their own body chemistry. If you bottom out too much you should report it to your doctor immediately and review options for other medications.
It's only been about two weeks that I'm on this anti-d pill. Doctor told me most likely it will take about a month or two to really set in. So in the mean time, I been watching my diet, walking (when it's not raining or snowing) & keeping busy with my quilting & reading. I also work part-time so that gets me up & out of the house for awhile.
Thanks to everyone, you have all been so helpful.
Hello! I know exactly how you feel but I strongly feel finding a solution or some comfort is better than trying so hard to find a reason why you became depressed in the first place. I strongly feel most therapy in this direction is overrated and that with a little self-help you can pull yourself up to a level where you can feel comfortable. You are not complaining you are seeking advice and friendship. Depression is something you must fight like an alley cat to keep your head above water. It's an all consuming, self-centered thing. You listen to your friends and keep all the good advice and if you need to talk to your physician about it there is help out there that doesn't cost an arm and leg. Most insurance companies don't even cover anti-depressants anyway! Try and find joy in the little things around you. Nature, a good book, etc. I've been through therapy and tried numerous medications and a combination of both and found that within myself there is a quiet strength and I rely on to help pull me up out of a depressive bout. A lot of things trigger depression in people. How we handle it and how we seek help for it makes us who we are. I wish there was a magic solution but there isin't and it takes strength, love and patience to really come through it. God bless you and I am praying for you!
Thanks your prayers & kind words they have been a help. I have two close friends that have been through this & are a great help. I find that if i walk (been doing that a lot) it helps so very much. Also getting creative, (MY quilting) & reading a good book. But that best has been reading and sharing with all of the ladies on VN. All I can say is THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR ADVISE & KINDNESS. Love you all!
You are doing such a great job of dealing with all this. Just keep going sister. You are so precious and the planet needs more of you. All my love and gratitude...denise
All your responses & kind words have kept me going. How i would love to meet you all & thank you in person! My love & prayers & much gratitude to all of you.
Love Dbanne
You know your comment inspired a still small voice in me. I am about to be a very wealthy woman after a lifetime of abject poverty (A Hollywood studio just picked up my television show.). Wouldn't it be great (On my dime) to organize a VN depression/anxiety weekend at some relaxing retreat center someday soon? Let's seriously consider it. What do you think?
Although I am not searching for support for depression or anxiety I have felt quite alone the last two decades as I have tried to share a healthful solution (While bleeding money out of every orafice) to a world that just wanted to keep sedating itself for the most part. The discussion on healthful living and the growing interest here at VN has been very healing for me too.
Love you all...denise
Best of luck on the TV show!! You have to let us know what happens so we can all watch!
So very generous of you to be thinking of organizing a retreat. If it comes about please let me know I'd really love to join in. I think anyone of us going through depression/anxiety could use time away.
Again, best of luck with your TV show and your kinds words.
Love, Debanne
Thanks. It will take some time. I have just started negotiating with the studio and we have much planning and fund-raising to do. It is divinely lead. The show is a reality show to teach healthy lifestyle choices, working with children who have a mom in the state prison down the street. I will be fostering them until mom gets out of prison and then reunite them with her. It is called The Transformation Station and will probably run on MTV the way things are shaking out.
I'm not out of the woods financially yet though so please say a pray for me. It is a cumbersome process, yet a joyous one. Love to you...denise
I'll be thinking & praying for you. What a project you are undertaking, those children you will be fostering are lucky to have some one like you who cares. Please keep me posted on all that transpires.
Debanne
Thank you for your prayers and interest. There is no population in this country more depressed than women in prison separated from their children - and their children. My heart aches for them. How are you doing? Maybe someday you could make a quilt for the show. We could have silk screen squares made of each of the children's pictures and their moms and make a Transformation Station quilt for us all to cuddle under. Just a thought. Having a focus helps me stay out of depression.
Being creative has helped me stay focused & keeps away my anxiety & depression when it starts to creep up on me. Making a quilting for your show would be exciting, I'd love it.
We wouldn't need to silk screen pictures, there is fabric you put through your printer on the computer as youscan a picture, probably a lot less expensive than silk screen. Just a thought.
I'm doing a little better each day, thanks for asking. Keeping busy helps.
Take care. Debanne
I am doing some work on the treatment tonight. I will add The Transformation Station quilt to the paperwork. I love it! Can I get your last name and contact info? You can email me directly at eating2heaven@gmail.com. This is soooooooooooo exciting!
Love and gratitude...denise
Thanks for the love!!!
Has your project The Transformation Station coming along, anything new to add?? I'm finding some really fun fabric for the quilt, bright colors & prints. I'm into bright colors, but if you prefer something ain lighter shades let me know.
I'm meeting with the studio head next week. Because of a burp with the prison we will be taking the women as they come out of prison and their children if their parole allows. Then we can help mom onsight to transform herself and help her reunite with her children. The transformation of the women come to us straight out of prison will be profound. I'm very excited. The energy is high. Can't wait to get you started on the quilt!!! This is going to be a very fun and rewarding project. Love and gratitude...denise
Thanks for the update! Keep me posted to any updates if you can. Love to hear from you.
Debanne
Hi Everyone,
Thought everything was going really well with my anti-d pills, was starting to feel like me again, then Wham... Saturday & Sunday night I had two over the top anxiety attacks that left me feeling so weak & tired, I ended up sleeping 11 hrs. I called my doctor & got an appointment for this afternoon.
Those of you who are one anti-d pills,does this happen often? I just want this to end so badly & be myself again. Just Hate this so much!!
Venting like this helps so much. Thanks. I'll be hanging in there & let you know what my doctor says.
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