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I am in shock, angry, ashamed, hurt and confused why was i the last to know. How come i did not see this while he was growing up. i have a 2 year old son as well, should my oldest be around my baby. I am ashamed to even be asking that question. My sister told me last night, she also gave me his byfriends number. I called and my son answered the phone. I told him that i knew he was gay and that it was ok. I said that to him because it was the right thing to do. I don't want to push my son away. I have seen it so mant times when kids come out to they're parents and the parents freak out. The kids stop communicating and eventually stop calling all together. I never thought i had a problem with gay people, but since i have found out about my son i don't know. I do know that for years he has been so unhappy. When i talked to him last night and told him it was ok with me that he was gay. He was so relieved and happy i could hear it in his voice. This is all so new to me.
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I also have a gay son. So I know the pain you went through when you first found out. I came from a very conservative back ground where being gay was against our teachings. But at the same time I had an uncle that I loved dearly who was gay. So I also grew up in an environment of acceptance. Not acceptance of the ‘gay life style’ or way of thinking but acceptance of the person, the fact that they are part of our family, acceptance that we can love the person without accepting and embracing that life style. I love my son, I do not love the fact that he has chosen the gay life. Just like a parent can love their child without loving that they might be a drug addict or alcoholic.
But I also understand the caution you might have about protecting your other children. My gay son also molested his younger brother. Not a onetime thing, not being boys experimenting, but out right molestation over a long period of time. Ok right now you are going to say, where were you as mom? Why didn’t you know? I didn’t know because his younger brother is handicapped and didn’t know how to tell me. I didn’t know until I walked in from the store one day and saw what was happening. To this day my gay son is still trying to get my younger son to ‘be gay’… verbally harassing him, trying to pull him back into sex games to the point that we had to get a restraining order taken out against him. My youngest son has been the one insisting on getting the orders, he doesn’t like what his brothers ‘game’ is. He has gone to years of therapy to help himself ‘not be an offender’.
I do not assume that all gay men are molesters. My uncle wasn’t and I have friends who aren’t. But I also do not assume that all gays won’t molest. I am sure the percentage of Gays who are also child molesters are close to those of heterosexual people who are
Common scene caution goes a long way. A mothers’ intuition goes a long way. Gut feelings goes a long way. Do not turn off your ‘mother radar’ just to be politically correct for any reason.
Almost all molesters are heterosexual.
Please don't paint gays with a broad brush -- it's just plain wrong.
- Joan
I know that now, I am learning things everyday. If i don't know i have to ask. So please forgive me for my ignorance.
You are so right, Ms. Joan! :)
98 per cent of child molesters are married white hetrosexual males! Not gays. Worry about the straight men your children are around (like priests, pastors and boy scout leaders) before worrying about your gay son. You'd probably crap if you knew how many hetro brothers and sisters had sex play when they were kids. I would say your situation is unique and not your run of the mill gay or lesbian child.
Oh, and by the way, gay or lesbian isn't a "life style choice" any more than your eye color or hair color is a choice.
absolutely agree , its not a choice and its noones business what anyone Chooses to do in the privacy of their home and bedroom . Without gays we would have a very dull life , think of the authors , artists , economists, world leaders, and so on that have made vital contributions to our world . Your son is the same son you loved and gave birth to . Nothing will change that and all you can do is love him unconditonally and support him totally . Life is hard enough without a Mom in your conrner . Good luck to you both .. but dont worry too much about this .. hes going to be fine .
Pediphiles are in all walks of life. So don't just think because someone is gay they are automatically trying to recruit. My daughter is gay. I have felt it long before she told me, and it didn't affect me at all. I had many gay friends through the house due to the fact many people just kick their kids out when they find out. Being Gay isn't some thing you catch, or decide to do, it's who you are. They are born not made.
You are an old soul Matriarch! You daughter is blessed to have you, and you her! Warm regards, ~SE
What your child needs right now is your unconditional love and acceptance. Talk to him, ask questions, let him know you love him no matter what. Your son has to lead the life that makes him happy, not the life that makes you happy. He is still your son, he is the person you have loved for all those 20 years, he just happens to be gay.
Great response Tamara!
I'd only like to add that YOU also need love and support NOT LECTURES AND 'SHOCKED' responses. This is a whole new environment for you and I would have felt the exact same way you did! I too would have been concerned as to how the rest of the family will process this new dynamic in your family.
I believe this situation like any new situation that comes in our lives must take it's course and process into what will I'm sure be a very loving relationship with your son. You obviously love your children and are a good mother. You will probably find that you have a better relationship with him because as you said he now feels accepted and loved with the unconditional love of any GOOD mother!
I just caution you to not let ignorant comments push you into feeling guilty for how YOU feel. And afraid to voice what your feeling. Getting your genuine concerns out is the only way to work through the process and find a good path for YOU and YOUR family.
Thank you for such kind words,because i do love my son dearly and i know that the only thing that's changed about my baby is his sexual preference.
Dear Angela:
Just wanted to say again, you will be fine. BUT it's a process to work through and you yourself need as much support as he does. To say I was angry at the responses that seemed to attack you personally for how you were feeling is an understatement. I would have felt the exact same way you did! And yes of course, just because he's brought it to light that he is gay does not make him a predator!!!! But it's not what we dream for our children and it does take some adjustment to find yourself as his mother in this situation. But I have no doubt the two of you will work through this and will do what's best for YOUR family. Don't ever let mean spirited people who say YOUR the one with the problem keep you from voicing your feelings for fear someone will judge you just like they profess your judging your son!
Hang in there, there are some of us who see exactly how you feel and support you all the way!
Sandi
Thank you Sandy, I really need your support!!!!
Today was not a good day for me, I realized that i wont have a daughter inlaw or granchildren. I started to cry, then i got mad and wanted to blame someone. Just when i thought i could not shed another tear my son called. He sounds so happy on the phone. I asked him what he was doing, he said he was on his way to the movies with his boyfriend. My stomach did a flip, i took a deep breath told him that i loved him and would talk to him later. When i hung up i cried again. When will the tears stop? He is so willing to share his life with me. Somethings i am ready to hear somethings i am not, do i tell my son i can't have this conversation with you yet ? Is it ok for me to say that to him? or will it push him away? I know eventually i will be able to talk to him about any and everything, but today i an not. I need to know if that is ok.
Not today but dont put it off too long . It will ease your feelings of concern and it will help him feel accepted and , you might invite his friend to your home for a meal too at some time in the near future . Once you get past that first hurdle , like any other thing thats different , it will seem much more okay .
I agree with Faymoose Angela. No one truly knows what is best for you and your family but I think I'd wait awhile, let the tears fall. Like grieving a death you will go through all the stages because it is a death of sorts. It's death to a life you raised him expecting. I 'think' I'd be temped to invite both of them over and just the three of you sit down and explain to the two of them that you love your son more than your own life. And that you are and will try 200% to understand their life and choices but that they need to understand how you feel as his mother. That you have cried because this is just not what Mothers naturally dream of for their children. Tell them that you cried because you looked forward to having a daughter in law and grandchildren. And that you don't know yet how to handle the stereo typing that all of you will face when it's known publicly not to mention within the extended family. But that your willing to learn for the love of your son and will just need their understanding as much as they need yours.
P.S.
Don't ever forget that your good friends are here on VN to support and love you every step of the way!
Nicely worded Sandi. However, may I add a personal wisdom? Please do not use the word "choice" when defining a same gender relationship. It is almost boring to say this in "2010." For example, did you make a "choice" to be in a heterosexual relationship? I am not preaching, I want to educate. WORDS have POWER. You are an articulate woman, I hope this helps you and all that take the time to read my brief post. Have a beautiful day Sandi. Kind regards, SE
It is ok to take this at your own pace, as long as you keep letting your son know you love him and will want to hear it all eventually. It sounds like he is just excited to be able to share his life with you.
Don't give up on grandchildren. In states where they are allowed to, gay men do adopt or become foster parents. I believe same-sex couples should be allowed to adopt everywhere. Or your son may fall in love with a man who already has children.
For me, being a lesbian was pretty much a choice, but for many it is not. Sexual orientation is not all or nothing, it is a spectrum. Every gay person is different from every other gay person.
Hang in there Angela. Enjoy all these fine supportive VN ladies. I have heard some great post here. I have heard some strength in you and some other ladies who are actually where you are. No matter what you have heard, know that God is good, and I am sure that one day this new hurt will cease. I love this VN resource. Thank you for your post.
Helen.
I am married to a woman, years now. I was married to a man for 24. I am the same person. Your son, is the same person whether he is with a man or a woman. Why do you suggest that you will not have grandchildren? Many gay men adopt. You are correct, if your son is in a committed relationship/marriage with a man, you will not have a daughter-in-law. BUT, you will have a son-in-law. I am guessing by the way you express your feelings so genuinely, you have given your son a beautiful gift of LOVE. Share that gift with him every day as if it was both of yours last. Get to know the man in your sons life, he just may surprise you and you just may LOVE him too! You are entitled to your deepest feelings. There is a wonderful cable/satellite channel ( I have DirectTV and live in TN) called LOGO. It is has a fabulous show on it called "COMING OUT." I suggest you watch it if you have it, or maybe a friend. It may shed some light for you. PLEASE, feel free to contact me. I would enjoy sharing some other avenues that may help. Also, there is PFLAG, maybe where you live, you have a LBGT Center, and if you have a local UU church. You will have a beautiful visual of same gender relationships, of all races, social standings, financial portfolios. LIVE the life you taught your son to LIVE, in LOVE not FEAR. Be well. ~SE
> the only thing that's changed about my baby is his sexual preference.
But that hasn't changed -- he has always been gay. He just didn't dare tell you. He's still your son, whom you love. As you could tell by his reaction to your statement, it was really important that you accepted him.
I recommend that you find a local chapter of PFLAG: Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays. They're used to helping parents through the initial shock to acceptance, and they also can recomment helpful books about exactly this topic.
I hope you'll also read Prayers for Bobby by Leroy Aarons, about a gay teenager whose parents could NOT accept him, and the horrible result.
- Joan
Joan: after reading your bio and many of your blog replies, I see that you have studied many subjects, and that you have others you refer to for that which you are not as learned. I have been studying women's studies for 6 years now. I have interviewed over 2000 women that have been married, that have been married then divorced and stayed single, that has always been in a relationship with the same gender (married, dating, life partner) and from my experience, a small percentage has offered that they have always known they were "gay" or "a "lesbian." Many woman (that is my expertise) like myself do not define themselves by the boxes we were introduced to as children and for that sake, adults (Blue vs Pink, Guns vs Dolls). We just LOVE. It has nothing to do with the anatomy of our loved one, there is not a "style" (i.e the "L" Word) that we live our lives, so therefore there is no "lifstyle" that represents those who chose to have a same gender relationship. We own homes, we pay taxes, we are part of our community, we vote, we laugh, we have friends and family. We are your neighbors, bankers, teachers, police, fire, garbage collectors, politicians, nurses, doctors, serve our country, and most of all, we may be in your family. I thank you for taking the time to read this Joan, I hope it was not read as a rant, I so want to educate. I am also writing a book, with stories of Mothers, Daughters and female siblings. I have 100 hours of video, and thousands of photos taken at homes, parks, work etc. I am not "the" authority, however, I am gaining momentum to being a leader. My goal is to educate companies in diversity communications with their employees. The reason words are so important to me. They have energy. I look forward to adding your publications to my list "to read." Have a beautiful day Joan. Warm regards, ~SE
Just keep loving him and encourage him to choose the best partner for himself, to continue to seek his dreams and goals and just keep loving him. There are some great groups for parents - PFLAGS - are nationwide and provide support for parents and families of lesbians and gays. They can help you adjust to the news and help you through your questions.
Keep thinking like that! He needs your love and affection more now than ever! It is what is in his heart that matters!!
Oh, please please try and understand. I really do not want to "speak" for everyone that is in a same gender relationship, whether they are dating, living together, in a committed relationship or married. Words have POWER, it is NOT about "sexual preference" it is about LOVE. Many people see the boundaries of same gender relationships, but when you are in one, it is about who you are in LOVE with. Does that make sense? ~SE
You are so right thanks for your input, it is so appreciated
This is the same person you have loved his whole life. You just know a little bit better now. This is an opportunity to have a closer, more honest and loving relationship with him because he can be himself around you. You said you could hear the relief in his voice that he didn't have to hide for fear of losing your love. Remember, we're all more alike than different. We all want the same things: to be healthy, to be happy, for our families to be safe and provided for and for the people we love to love us back.
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt!!! I too had the "guilts" when we found out. My son had been doing very well with "hiding it", and when I found out it was in the mid-80s when AIDS was rampant (not that it's not now, but at least they have some control of it now), and I literally cried for 3 months afraid that he would catch AIDS and die. I loved my son. I sent him to a Psychiatrist. Well, the psychiatrist did us ( my husband and I) as much good as for my son. When he talked to us, the comment he made that I most remember was that what we as "straights" understand is mostly charactures of what gays REALLY ARE. My son is now over 40 has had the virus for MANY years, has been through cancer treatment, etc., etc. At one point he was a meth addict. He is extremely intelligent, BUT he was kept in the "dummy" classes because he didn't do his homework - - he was also dyslexic and hyperactive - just enough the teachers said he "talked too much". Because of this felt "out of place" etc., etc., etc.
Having had 20 years of "experience" with the gay community, I laud you for your comment to your son. He IS your son and always will be. He certainly NEEDS your love and support now. That's one thing my son had all his life and I think has made a difference to him. Gays are not as "different" as the rest of the world likes to think. They want love and companionship just like we do. They have hopes and dreams. I've seen so many young people thrown out of their homes, (justifying their fear of "coming out") with no where to go, and end up on the streets. (And we wonder how they get a "reputation"? They must survive on their own. TO me I believe so called "Christians" are being just as sinful in doing that as anything they can acuse the gay person of. (Sorry, but that's my opinion.)
I agree with Catharine - - PLEASE DO NOT CONFUSE his being gay with his being a pediphile. That is one of the BIGGEST MISTAKES made to vilify and castigate gay people. Believe me I know exactly what the Bible says about gays, etc., etc., adnauseum. I've heard it all. When I hear it I would like to have them talk to my son. He was raised in the church and is one of the most "believing" people I know. When I was young, there was as much "preaching" and all that stuff about unwed mothers, etc., etc. Yes, I still believe it is incorrect and not to be accepted (although it is around the world). What keeps me going ????? The God I believe in is a forgiving GOD. Yes he is judgemental in some ways, because it's best for US. Do we as humans allow our children to run rampant?? (Opps - some people do. If we do it'll bite us in the backside later on.) No, we usually correct them, to show them they could get hurt not following the rules.
I could go on and on (not that I haven't) but if you would like to talk with me more, give me your email and I write you more.
GOd Bless and Keep the Faith.
Lynn
Lynn, my email is mackangela99@yahoo.com, Your words of wisdom have really gave me some insight. I love him and i want to be able to look at him with adoration and not shame and embarrassment. Please feel free to email me at anytime.
I'm sure it's a shock, but it's still new, you will get used to it. My parents did.
My gay brother once told me, "If gay people were purple (so you could see them), you would be shocked!" There is a whole world of non-pedophile, successful, healthy, happy, normal gay people.
very hard to accept, I can understand all your feelings. who are we TO THINK normal people are straight, YOUR DEAR SON is very brave, give him a hug he deserves respect and a life full of joy, God bless Him.
Amen - you ar SO RIGHT!!
Dear Worried,
I really admire you for your courage and being a loving mother! I have not had this experience but have met people who are in much pain in finding out their son/daughter is gay. Not only are dreams as parents shattered but the pain in knowing the heartache your child will go through in society. I totally understand your questions and fears. This is so new to you and you are still in shock. Perhaps you might find a support group in your area that might help.
Your response to your son was loving and sounds like he needed to hear that from his mother. It takes a lot of strength to do what you did - not letting your son know your fears and worries. I'm sure you will hear from others here that will give you more practical advice than I have (books, etc.) but just wanted to let you know that I think you're a wonderful mom! My thoughts are with you.
ThankYou
I know you came to this site and posted because you felt it would be safe and you could share and get advice. This site is a slice of humanity and you are going to get all sorts of responses. This posting has struck a painful cord with some as you can see by the response. Dont take it personal. Sort through the posts and take the advise you can, leave the others there. Only those who have walked in your shoes know what you are going through and I have. When you asked if it was ok to have your gay son be around your 2 year old it tells me that you should educate yourself regarding what it is to be gay and not confuse it with being a pedophile. Get your hands on some good books at the library and also join a pflag group inyour area. You are in shock right now but you are going to love your son and find out that even though he is gay the sun will still come up every morning and life will go on and you will have a great relationship with him and his partner and you will also hold your head up high and say to family and friends I have a gay son. In the beginning I went around the house practicing out loud "my daughter is lesbian". It has been a few years now and I have a great close relationship with my daughter and her partner and I wish the same future for you. Hang in there. It does not mean that we are homophobic and we can accept all different lifestyles but when it lands in your lap it takes a minute to get used to it. Give yourself time and read all you can.
What hurts the most? Finding out he is gay, or finding out from someone else? There seeems to be a lot of questions going through your mind at the moment. O.K. He's gay. This is who is. He has a lot of challenges ahead of him. His whole life and the fact that there are still a lot of people out there who do not accept people who have a different sexual orientation than them.
In the past, what were your thoughts about gay people? What kind of coments would you make about homosexuals when he was around? If I say in the past it, is because I find that our attitudes, beliefs, whatever you want to call them, can change. Just think of the world as a whole in the acceptence of the fact that some people are gay. Think 30 years ago. Acceptance was not there. Now, we accept the differences in us as humans. This is nature. Gay people have always existed. It is part of their being, it cannot be changed. It' not as if they chose to be gay, even though some people today still believe that it is a choice they made. It's not.
I don't fully understand why some people are gay, but then why should I? It's like trying to understand a lot of things that are just part of nature.
It's great that you called your son. That took a lot of courage. You seem to be a wonderful mother and to love your son deeply. This is what he will always really need, your love. The rest will come on it's own.
I can relate up to a certain point. I also have a 20 year old son who is gay. He just confirmed it a few weeks ago. If I say confirmed, it is because he was having quite a struggle with it. Everything seems black and white to a heterosexual person, but for a person who is gay, it is often hard. I was not shocked as you were because we had a few discussions before about his being gay, bysexual or strait. I have always been open about the fact that I love him and accept him for who he is as long as he is happy.
Like a lot of people, I am hoping that society will evolve even more in the fact that people are people whatever their lifestyle. As long as they are good, honest and loving.
This is what we need in the world today, more Love.
So take a deep breath and love your son as I know only a mother can!
anir
I'm sorry that you are shocked, angry, ashamed, etc, but I think you were one of the last to know because your son was afraid of what your reaction might be.
He's a very brave young man who doesn't deserve anyone to connect homosexuality with pedophilia. The fact that his mother made this connection could very well be why you were one of the last to know. I'm not criticizing you, I'm trying to tell you what I think could have happened.
The fact that you know he has been unhappy for years shows that you are intuitive and can see a difference in him, now that he doesn't have to hide who his is. I would focus on that-he's finally happy. I also think that you are probably most upset that you didn't really know your son-not that he's gay.
I've lived in the San Francisco Bay Area since 1974 and am probably more accepting of this than some other people, but I can still see how a parent may have to grieve for the loss of the child they thought they had. But to me, he's still the same child- there's just a part of him that you didn't know.
I'm sure you're in the midst of many conflicting, confusing emotions. That's very normal when you've had a shock, but again, you're a loving mom and I think it's really about not knowing ALL things about your son that is most difficult to accept. I'm sure your son doesn't know and doesn't want to know details about your sex life. If you revealed some things about that to him, he might be shocked also.
My advice is to focus on the fact that he's more happy and able to be his true self-what a gift.
Please know that there is absolutely no connection between homosexuality and pedophilia. Most of the gay people I know are kind, loving, caring human beings and could never participate in that-exactly the same as most of the heterosexual people I know. There are pedophiles in every segment of society, but Thank God, it's a very small percentage. These people are sick.
I wish you well-make a special effort to tell your son -often- how much you love him and always will.
Jeannie:
I don't believe that it was his mother who connected his being gay to pedophilia. I believe that it was another woman who unfortunately did have that experience.
What I hear loudest in Worried's post is fear of the unknown. And her own need to be supported and loved through an adjustment she never dreamed she be going through in her family.
The responses here have been wonderful. I agree that there ARE those who are pedophiles, but I also agree that there are pedophiles in heterosexual world. -- I know from experiences and experiences of my child and grandchildren. Loving our children is the BEST MEDICINE they can have. You are a great mother. You will probably look back and "add up" some things. I did, but it's something "we don't want" for a children. My son himself has a son and when asked if he would want his son to be gay, his answer was "Not just NO but H_ _ _ NO!" Why would I want my son to be spat upon, though of a "lesser worth", etc., etc. as many gays have to suffer in this day and time. He needs you now and as we all have, you WILL GET THROUGH THIS!
God bless and keep up the good work.!!
Its understandable youd be overwelmed,and all you mentioned.BUT,dont love any of your
childrenCONDISHIONLY.Wed like our thaughts to be that of others.B-u-t,they have a right to
their thaughts too. I worked with a gay guy,& 2 gay gals.THEY DONE THEIR WORK&WENT THEIR WAY.
AND I WENT MINE.They were kind,& HELPFUL.
You are going through a grieving process right now...you are grieving for what might have been. Your son's being gay changes your dreams of his marriage, grandchildren, and forces you change your mindset for his future. That is so hard to do but it will happen as you become more adjusted to this news.
I have two gay nephews and their parents went through this. They also wondered why they hadnt recognized it earlier. Answer is...you just dont...you are so close to the situation and your mind keeps you from seeing what your emotions can't deal with at the time.
You are so right to keep your relationship with your son close. That will help him so much and you will be so glad you did even though right now its hard to know how to react to him in view of this. Remember that he is the exact same person he was before you found this out.
As I told my nephews, God doesn't make mistakes and God made your son just exactly like he is supposed to be.
As for your concerns about molestation of children, unless you have other indicators, being gay just absolutely is not an indicator of this.
Also, accept your son just as he is without any stereotypes about the gay community. I know that, when my brother first learned of his son being gay, he was afraid that his son would start dressing in drag, etc. This particular young man is not at all interested in that type of thing and is very sports minded. My other nephew is just the opposite. There are as many different personalities among gays as there are in the heterosexual community so if you can just accept your son just as he is, it will benefit you and him too.
I pray for you to have strength and openness to cope with this and that it will deepen the relationship between you and your son now that he can be completely himself around you. He probably feels a sense of relief that at last you know and also a big concern about how this will effect his relationship with you. In both my nephews families, I believe it enhanced the closeness after the initial shock and grief dissipated.
Very astute comments.
Thanks for reading and liking my post. I am new to this blog and this was my first post. This subject is so near to my heart since two of my wonderful nephews are gay.
I am a lesbian and am frankly worried for your SON! I am proud of him for coming out but he needs to GET out of your toxic environment. There is nothing wrong with him being gay - he was born that way! For you to even think about being paranoid about your son being around the 2-year-old is incomprehensible to me. My god! You need some serious education. Try attending a PFLAG meeting (Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays) - I'm sure there is one in your area. Give your son the unconditional love he desperately deserves.
P.S. And stop having more children until you can take notice and care for the ones you already have!
How dare you tell me to stop having children i love all my children the same. This is all new to me and if i have questions fears or doubts i should be able to express them without being criticized by the likes of you. How is my enviorment toxic i raised him to be a smart caring and loving person. I have shown my son nothing but support since he came out to me. I have fears but i have not shown him that. I do not want to push him away that is why i am on this sight and i called PFLAg, and i have talked to my therapist. So do not tell me that i don't take care of my kids. I think that you are a bitter angry lesbian who has not been accepted or hurt by someone, because if you don't know the signs of a parent that is reaching out for help then i feel sorry for you. You want me to be excepting of you but you are not willing to do the same. SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!
What an excellent replay, Worried. As you can see there are "issues" on both sides of the fence. And some are not even trying to "accept" or UNDERSTAND the other side. Bless you my dear, the world needs MORE OF YOU.
Good for you Angela! Don't listen to ignorance!
he more sincere emotions could come from a lesbiian women, but I think you have courage to open it with us, it is human to feel like you feel, and dont worry you are a good mother, do not have a doubt, be strong and write to us, we are mothers also and we know about a mother;s fear, stay calm to have a conversation with your dear son, here we are for you, God bless you
Angela, someone warned you about some responders will write hurtful things. Look at the strength strong comments. Please stay focused. God is good! Enjoy the positive resources here.
Helen.
East coast. Try being a little less CRITICAL OF OTHERS. I know you may have had a difficult life, but meanness is just not the way to help ANYONE, or make anyone more comfortable with you or anyone else. I'm sorry you were hurt (very few spout the venem you just did unless that were true) but continuing to do the same to others helps NO ONE, least of all yourself, or the community in general.
That was really mean. She is trying to wade through a lot of feelings here, she needs our love and support.
Eastcoast!
This is the first time since joining VN that I'm ashamed of a post. Most women here are supportive, and kind hearted! Your attack on this poor woman is totally uncalled for ....I suggest that perhaps it is you who needs some serious education, try going back to what you learned in Nursery School, "If you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all.." In adult terms say to yourself BEFORE you open your mouth ( & keyboard) "Is what I'm going to say kind, understanding, supportive and helpful" If NOT keep this type of attacking a person to yourself!
I'm proud of the women who participate in this web site. However I can NOT say the same about your post!
I think your anger is getting in the way here. I dont see posts here that are condemning gays. Of course there is nothing wrong with being gay/lesbian.. God made you as you are and thats a good thing.
But a mother needs time to adjust to finding out that her child's life will be different than she had anticipated. This mother is asking for help to understand her son better and thats an admirable step..Also she has already called her son and assured him of her love.
No, there is no wrong with being gay/lesbian.
Yes, there is wrong in condemning this mother as you have instead of realizing what a life changing acknowledgement this is for her.
Dear Worried,
Please take heart. There have been some very insensitive things said on this post but there are others of us who are with you all the way and applaud you speaking your deepest truths. My brother is gay. When he came out my mother, one of the most liberal people I know, cried for days. She was mourning the loss of the life she had imagined - the grandchildren, the daughter-in-law. One of the things I remember most was how frightened she was that my brother's life would be so hard. Thirty years ago she couldn't imagine that the world could change so much. My brother is an extremely successful businessman, has wonderful friends, both straight and gay. Our family has remained close with the same ups and downs as other families. As for your two year old, if your older son is the good, moral, compassionate man that you thought he was a few weeks ago then his being gay is an non-issue. If you would have trusted him with your child then, you can trust him now. My brother and my son (now 29 and hetero) have a wonderful relationship. My brother was a favorite babysitter when he was little and a trusted uncle now.
I know that my son would not touch his brother, but when he came out to me the thought went through my mind. Am i a bad person for thinking that, even if it was only for a second. This all so new to me and i am trying to educate myself. I don't know all the answers that why i am asking questions.
I don't think you are a bad person for having a thought, even one that isn't so pretty. You aren't even a bad person for asking the question out loud. The important thing is that you are open to the answers. Your son, both your sons, are lucky to have a mother who is trying to do the right thing. Hang in there. It will stop being weird. When my brother had his first long term relationship my mother said "You know, Noah (the boyfriend) is a great person. Its the thought of Noah that takes a little getting used to". I challenge everyone who has come down on you to search their souls and be honest as to whether they have never had a negative thought, even for a second, about a black, a Jew, a Chinese, an immigrant. Come on ladies - you've never clutched your purse a little bit tighter when you didn't like the way the young man coming toward you looked? Keep writing Angela and asking your questions. There are people here with ideas, good ideas and you will find your own answers.
Angela: 99% of the women here on this web site are happy you were able to be HONEST and came here for advise. You WILL find loving and supportive women here. I'm so sorry for some of the ignorant and mean spirited comments I've read. Please don't judge the site or the majority of the participants on a few who obviously need counseling themselves! Don't we all in some capacity, hence why we are here....
A thought is just that. You did not act on it. I can relate to having a bad thought at one time in my life . I had just found out I was pregnant with my fifth child. Not planed, the others were. My IUD device failed on me. Anyways, I remember having had a thought, just once, but it is still with me 19 years later. I thought of having an abortion. Not that I am against abortions, but in my situation at the time, I could easily take care of this baby. I still think about it once in a while. When I see my now 18 year old son, I am more than happy I didn't act my thought out.
So thoughts are O.K. You are not a bad person. We question a lot of things in our lives. They are thoughts. Some we put into action, others we discard.
As I have posted before, you seem to be a good and loving person.
anir
P.S. Loved your response to estcoastgirlsarehip! Yes!!!!!
And you are doing a fine job at it. You are among some of the best VN women. Keep communicating. Enjoy all of the attention you are getting.
I don't know if I have a gay son. He is still a virgin at 25. He seems to be attracted to ladies. I just wish there are more strong people like you and your son. Enjoy the VN resource here.
Dear Angela, you still have your son. He is not dieing of any disease. My sister young son was diagnoised with Sczophrenia. She lost all hope of ever seeing him get married and having children.
At least you still have your son healthy in mind and spirit. Love him. He can still have children if he so desires or adopt. Love him with all your might. He is still alive and well.
no only human to think but a good person not to act
Thank you joyful! My sentiments exactly!
I'm so happy that you were able to tell him its ok, in the middle of your mixed feelings. So many kids commit suicide because there parents reject them. A mother will always give unconditional love and thats how it should be. Never keep your oldest son away from your baby boy. When you get comfortable that you son is gay people will then calm down themselves but if anyone family member says anything stupid and you know there will always be someone in the family to make stupid remarks, defend him with all your might.
You will be fine. enjoy your family.
i no its hard but hes still your so as long as hes alive you can work through anything i no you no you never give up on your kids i will be praying for you both good luck God Bless
i think you are confusing homosexuality with pedophilia. Your young son is completely safe, one has nothing to do with the other. In this venue you will hear all kinds of opinions, and they are just that, opinions, some good, some harsh, some plain rude.... take in the good advice and discard the bad and angry ones. Good luck and be happy... being gay is not the end of the world.
Look into finding your local PFLAG (parents and friends of lesbians and gays). They have a lot of information on this subject that will help you through along with support. My youngest son came out at about the same age and although it was an unknown suject for me, I found answers and continued to love my son unconditionally. It has strengthened our bond to be able to talk about it and share his life with him. As for the baby....they are gay not child molesters so I really do not see any reason one son can not be around the other. Please get the facts and I promise your life will be less stressed and fearful and your relationship with your son will become even better. The best of luck to you both.
Hi Worried: I just got back to this thread. I am so sorry my first sentence in response to you sounded so off. I certainly didn't mean it to. Considering that I have gay and lesbian members in my family, being gay is such a non issue for me. So I responded the way I did without intent of being unkind.
Either way, please accept my apology if in the moment that was difficult for you, I responded inappropriately.
Best best to you, in growing in this new and unexpected journey in your life.
It takes a strong woman to say she's sorry. Kudos to you!!!
I've been thinking about you. True, you won't have a daughter-in-law, but you may have a wonderful son-in-law (Well, only "in-law" if we finally wake up and give our gay/lesbian brothers and sisters equal rights, but you get what I mean). And you may have grandchildren. I know many same sex couples who have children. Just know that we're with you in your struggle. Parenting is not easy - straight or gay!
Sister you hang on in there and give that young man as much love you can give him. "Love covers a multitude of faults", so you must look beyond his faults and see his needs and right now he needs a mother.
So..who cares..if he was a murderer,,you would still love him,,wouldnt you...Life is too short to worry about things...Hugs
Dearest Worried,
I sooo applaud you in your quest to find support and answers. I do not have a gay child, but I can imagine that you need to process this like anything else you do in life. But here is what I see. You only know what you have learned from others and our society and the so called "rules" that we make for ourselves. BUT, I also see that you are an open, loving and nurturing human being, who happens to have a new life experience in front of her. I can tell from your responses that you are learning and opening up more on a daily basis. That is all anyone can ask of you. That is all you can ask of yourself. BUT There is no doubt that you will continue to love your son, just as he is, and has always been. You will be giving him the support he needs to move forward. And now, you are also giving yourself the the support you need to move forward. Bravo to you! Just think what a wonderful addition to the gay community you will be. What you will be able to contribute to others some day from the experience and new path you are CHOOSING to go on. What a wonderful example you are to your sons. And some day, you will be an example to your grandchildren, who may not be biological, but who cares. You keep up your quest for understanding and you will be rewarded with joy. Cause that is what it is all about. New doors are opening for you not just your son....that is a gift. He chose you as his mother for a reason....
InJoy
Cheryl
I too am shocked that you said that about him being around your other child..but getting past that You need to get over it, he is your son your flesh & blood and he needs your support & acceptance MORE than anything right now, I can see why you were left in the closet ...cause of how you are acting here online so i can just imagine how he felt about telling you! i would suggest that you get to know more about the lifetsyle of gays and that this sexual prefernce is from birth my dear i believe cause No person would want to subject themselves to the predijice that they get from strangers as well as family, imo the egg slipt and got crossed during conception somehow so dont blame yourself either BUT DO be there for HIm with OPEN HEART & ARMS and he is not a pediphile and doesnt have urges for little children he is Just gay !! be his mom his main supporter and to heck what others think you as a black women of all things Knowing how race affects some peoples lives ...should not be judging your son cause he is Gay, embrace him and all will be fine ! good luck and dont waste no precious moments due to your lack of understanding please !
First off southernstarr, If i don't know something i have to ask. As far as me being left in the closet i don't know any parent who wants they're son or daughter to be gay. Over the last 3 weeks i have had so many questions about this and i always get someone who is offended by my quetions. Lady who cares what you think! I love my son and since that first post i have joined several groups. My son and myself have talked every night about everything. It is so amazing how i asked my son the same thing. He just laughed and said mom don't let your imagination get the best of you. What you fail to realize is ,that was a thought that came and went. Have you even read any of my other post. You should know that was a scared and confused mother who was in shock. I have never judge my son, i have questions. I support him and i love him. I also understand him. You say i need to get over it! It is a process and i am going through it very well i might add. YOU NEED TO GET OVER MY FIRST STATEMENT AND STOP JUDGING ME !!!!! FED UP WITH NEGATIVE CRAP
PLEASE don't let ignorance of some of these posts get to you Angela. There are far more women who are loving and supportive and will readily admit that we would have felt the exact same way and done exactly what you did!
It's like I try to teach my children....."It's best to ignore stupidity!"
Ms. Southernstarr:
In reading your post I am in disbelief that you would be attacking this loving Mother who is just new to all this and asking for advise. It has been obvious from her inital post that she is a loving, concerned, GOOD Mother who is doing exactly what your attacking her for not doing!!!! She is asking for advise, trying to learn how this will effect him, her, their relationship and her other children.
I have been so disappointed at the ignorance and attacks that this poor woman has had to endure on a site that I've found loving, educated and supportive women as a rule.
Perhaps instead of launching pugnacious cruel reactions to her post it would behoove you to educate yourself in how to be supportive and kind. If you have information that would help her understand, by all means share that but in a non-judgement way! And realize that she is doing exactly what your criticizing her for not doing!
Perhaps you need to get over your ignorance and not insult someone who is just trying to learn what is currently going on with her son! She is a good mother because she at least cares enough to talk to her son and ask appropriate questions.
Be glad he's ALIVE.
There are worse things.
Second thought --
Maybe you want to go to therapy about your attitude that gay equals child molester.
That's not good for either son or you.
I wonder why you sister didn't wait for him to tell you.
I asked a question thats all.
Hang in their Angela.
Helen.
Sorry spelling; I ment hang in there.
Helen
Maybe you should reread everything that Angela wrote. She is a mom who loves her son and who is trying to understand him. It was just a thought she had and I find that it does not define who she is. I also have a son who is gay and will never understand why. Depending on a lot of circumstances, it is harder for some of us to deal with homosexuuality. Any mother who finds out her son is gay and does not have any fears or questions is not the norm and probably never will be. Nothing wrong with that.
I know my son was not born with a stamped 'By the way mom I am gay' on his forehead. It takes adjustment, and I find Angela is handling it the best she can. I applaud her for her attitude.
anir
Just love YOUR SON. The other stuff is his business. Your son is still your son--nothing about that has changed. Just remember WHO he is, not what he does in his own bedroom. Good luck!
Oops....I pressed on the "Love this!" by mistake....
but I do think you can get through anything with enough Love!
I have read through all these posts and I truly believe that this site is filled with wonderful, loving women. Thank G-d , we have each other to offer love and advice AND even if...once in a while, some of the comments "get under our skin" that's ok, too!! The point is...Let's continue to be there for each other no matter what is posted!! p.s. I live in Asheville, North Carolina which has a very large gay population! As my son once wrote(in second grade) for a community relations creative writing contest, "People are not born prejudice...they are taught to be prejudice." He won the contest!!
Hello VB, friends, I want to let all of you know that i am at peace. I talked to you guys, PFLAG, my son my neighbors and GOD. I love my son, I love who he is. I love the young man he has become. I am proud of him. As long as he is happy i am happy. I have also talked to his mate a very nice young man, whose parents support him as well. They are going to come across people in this world who are not going to like them. So they do not need they're parents against them. I am in protective mode!!!!! I want to thank everyone who replied to my post, the good and the bad. It has helped me grow as a mom and a person. By the way my baby will be spending spring break with his big brother and i will finally take a much needed vacation. Signed KNOW LONGER WORRIED
my husband and i faced same thing years ago we did as you di d for same reasons we love our daughter we are close to our children. our daughter was older and he partner is a very sweet and good person, that made it easier,. HANG in there. he will love you more then ever for supporting him. your friend
One of my best friends was gay. He was one of the most talented, charismatic men I have ever known and I still get teary eyed when I think of his death. He committed suicide at 36 years old. One of his biggest issues was the rejection of his parents. They shut him out completely. I wonder if they knew how much agony that created in him. He could not come to terms with their refusal to acknowledge him after he "came out". They did not know the man that I knew: Funny, warm, creative, articulate, emotional, highly intelligent and acutely sensitive. No, he was not your average all American macho man. He was incredibly lovable and I could not understand why his parents would refuse to see the man that I saw. The pain of it killed him. I would ask you to make a list of all the things you loved about your son before you found out he was gay. He is still that person. His sexual preferences are really none of your concern for heavens sake, YOU are his Mother! Love him for being the wonderful son that he has always been. By accepting him unconditionally, you will teach your other children the valuable lesson of tolerance and the power of love. Your son is not a pedophile, so there is no reason at all to distance him from his brothers and sisters. Please, just accept and love him as he is, that is all he wants from you.
Ido and I have !!!!!
Hi Ms. NL
I knew from your original posts that you would make it to a place of enlightenment. You would not have reached out if you did not have it in you already. Your true self is that loving mother that is now taking on a new world for and with you son. I am so happy for you and your son. You will now have wonderful new things happen in your life, that before you would have never known possible. Once you open your heart fully, as you have, wow, it will be incredible. Much love to you
Cheryl
of course he should be around the baby!!!! He is just simply gay.Its o.k. It really is!!! He is the same person but all is different is that he is choosing a different life style.....! He is and will always be your son....!!!!
Hi. I would seriously stop worrying. Your son is fine. Just be his mother and support him and his choices. I agree with the others, let him be the person he is and pursue his own life. He is an adult not a baby; that is the lesson I had to learn and it is difficult at best. My son is currently living at home. I have more problems with his general life choices than his being gay. I have known my son was gay since he was four years old. Unlike some of my family members, I didn't punish him and I didn't try to force him to be straight. His life, his choices. I accepted him for the person he became and as he has grown up; admired him. He is strong in his convictions and his beliefs and he doesn't force them on others. I'm very proud of my son and his accomplishments in his life.
Hi my name is gina,
my 17 yr old son just told me he was gay, i did not no what to say i said how could you like boy's and other things i told him i love him no matter what, but the truth is i can't handke this i cry every day i am so hurt and angry i tell my self whats worse my son being gay or he will never marry and not give me grandchildren it breaks my heart we don't talk much i cant even look at him the same way, i really cant handle this and i do not want to except this. I am the olny one who knows i have no one to talk too, i need advice myself.
Hi gina,
As you already know, he is still your son, and as you stated, you still love him. Keep these two feelings upfront in your heart. Is he a different person than he was? Does he act differently? Has he turned from a loving,caring person to an obnoxious, selfcentered one? I would hope he is still the same. In your eyes he will certainly look and it must feel different being around him or just thinking about him. I have already stated before, it would not be normal for you to be or think the same after his announcement, it was not stamped on his forehead at birth that he was gay. It's all new to you. He might have known for a long time or even not been sure of it himself. Now he is being open with you. He's not hiding. Communication is good. Keep the lines open. Don't shut him out. You need him as much as he needs you. You should be there for each other.
As for getting married and having children. Here in Canada same-sex marriages are legal and so is adoption for same sex couples. Just read in a news article lately that a same-sex gay politician had just adopted a young child.
Shock is a normal reaction to such news. It must have been like getting slapped in the face and it still stings. I believe you when you say it hurts.
I am hoping you will find counselling somewhere and come to accept your son for who he is and not for his sexual orientation. I figure, if we knew everything that goes on behind our relatives, friends, neighbours, closed bedroom doors, we would more than likely be shocked, stuned, incredulous etc. They would still be the same people.
If you haven't already, read all the posts here. You might find help. The mother who started this post was known as Worried and now she goes by No Longer Worried.
Love your son.
anir
Take a deep breath, ask yourself whats changed. Get educated, please mom, whatever you do don't turn your back on him he needs you more than anything now. I know you feel shame, hurt and embarrassment, this to shall pass. Love him open your heart and your mind. There is nothing wrong with your son being gay. You say you can;t handle it imagine how he feels. This is just a process it will start to feel better. Ask questions join an online support group. It is not your place to tell anyone about your son being gay that is his decision. Please Gina talk to your boy or you might loose him forever
Gina,
Calm down! There really are worse things that can happen to your son. Educate yourself, talk to others about this, get counseling and go on with your lives. I certainly hope you choose to continue loving your son regardless of his sexual orientation. Something we often forget is that children do grow up and make their own life choices; it might not be what we would want for them but its their choice. Try to overcome your shock and look at this as yet another new life experience.
vinnigirl
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