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Should I move with my husband or stay with my dog?
posted 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Need unbiased opinions.

I have been married nearly 39 years.  Like most marriages some good times and not so good.  Right now we are having a major disagreement about my dog.  He is a 4 year old border collie/australian shepherd mix.  I got him in March of this year.  We live in the country and he was raised in a small town with a fenced yard and was able to come in when the weather was inclimate.  He has turned out to be a wonderful dog and he has decided to be totally my dog.  My husband has always been against having pets in the house.  He has allowed our dog to come into the garage when it has been really cold or if it is storming.  The problem is this.  We usually go to south Texas for several months every winter to escape the cold and I want to take my dog with me and he says absolutely not.  He wants me to give him away or find someone to care for him while we are gone.  I am just heart broken.  We had a farm dog that always stayed with my daughter when we were gone south, but he bit a child last winter (which was totally unlike him) and they put him down.  I don't believe this dog would do that but I didn't think Spot would either.  I can't stand losing another dog like that.  Astro seems to be a one person dog and stays close to me at all times.  Depending on what part of the house I am in, he lays outside near where he knows I am.  I feel that if my husband really loved me that he would not want me to be broken hearted over this dog.  He says that I love the dog more than him because I said I wouldn't leave him alone. I am contemplating not going with him south if he doesn't relent.  Am I being unreasonable?

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SPIKEY58 said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Hi cowgirl What does your heart tell you?I think he may be a bit jealous  of the dog  also somewhat controlling the situation. I to have a shepperd thats the very same way and he,s my best friend. My husband  woundn't  dare put a stipulation  on me like that. WHY he knows his new quarters are in the dog house untill he can find a new place.

cowgirl said to SPIKEY58 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Yes, I have always thought he was jealous of any dog I have had.  I told him that this morning.  He says he doesn't want to be bothered with traveling with a dog.  I told him that he wouldn't be bothered all right because the dog wasn't coming with us.  Then he said he thought today was going to be a great day for the two of us and I had picked a fight and he left.  He came home briefly, washed his truck and left again.  He has always been controlling. I get so aggravated at him when he acts this way.  He really does have lots of good points but this is really getting to me.  We have many friends that go south for the winter and they take their animals with them too.  When we have company that travels with pets they are always welcomed into our home by my husband.  But not for me.

Angely said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Cowgirl...I agree with what everyone here has said,if my husband were to behave like this I would tell him to take a hike..NO MAN or NO ONE could tell me I can NOT have my pets! They are my family plain and simple!

I realize you feel pressured and I know you love your dog however he deserves better than living in the garage when it's cold out this is WHY he follows you around..he is starving for affection and afraid you are going to leave him..YOU are ALL he has and his loyality to you FAR surpasses any human.

You made a statment that your friends pets are welcome when they come to visit..well this just proves that your husband just wants to control you and it may not even be that he dislikes the dog so much as it is manipulating you to do what he wants!

I agree with Myke..if you do not have the strength to tell your husband how much your dog means to you than yes I would find a rescue for your dog so he has a chance for a good home..(I don't mean that YOU are not good with him but the fact that your dog senses turmoil and instability and living outside or in the garage)PLEASE if you do deside to take this route..DO NOT place an ad in the paper.."FREE TO GOOD HOME" there are many people who look for ads like this who sell to labratories!!!!!and PLEASE do NOT take him to a shelter...rescue groups would be the only thing I would trust!I too get lots of crossposts in my emails about people throwing their dogs away,abuse..etc...and try to help out in rescue when I can..it's horrid what people do...some people dumped their almost 15 y/o Dachshund in the shelter becasue they wanted to go to Mexico!!!...Sable is now living with us and is happy!

Cowgirl...I wish you all the best and pray you and your dog can be together!In my opinion..dump the hubby..... and keep your friend~

cowgirl said to Angely 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Angely,

  Thank you for your response and your concern for Astro.  I don't feel that he is starving for affection.  As I do take care of him.  Our home is a new ground contact home and our garage is attached and has been finished like our house.  It is insulated, painted etc.  There are 2 doors going from the living portion of our house to the garage and much of the time these doors are open, so that it is warm in there and fairly cool in the summer.  Our home luckily is very energy efficient.

   Astro is like a lot of dogs and is afraid of storms and my husband is fine with him coming in to the garage to feel safe.  He has even reminded me to get him in when he hears it thunder and I haven't noticed.  He does pet him, he just doesn't believe a dog or any animal for that matter should live in the house.  It was how he was raised.  On the other hand I was raised having many animals both inside and out.  When we married I had a small house dog that was definitely a house dog and I took him with me when we married.  Tommy was jealous of her as well.  She was very old and died not long after we married.  Since that time I have not been able to have an inside dog but did have a cat for awhile.  He didn't like that either.

   I do not want to give Astro away, because he is so devoted to me.  I do not love my dog more than my husband but I do love my dog and want to take care of him and don't want to lose him. 

    Since we had our last discussion my husband is very quiet and isn't talking hardly at all.  I don't know what he is thinking at this point.  Thanks again for your input.

cowgirl said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Thanks to everyone for their responses.  He doesn't mistreat Astro, he just doesn't want to take him to Texas for the 2 or so months that we will be gone.  Otherwise, he pets him and talks to him etc.  After our previous dog died he siad that I could have another dog.  But, it had to meet 4 requirements, and miraculously Astro met all 4. 

We have been married 39 years this December.  We have never been separated.  Yes, he is controlling at times and is way off the wall on this.  I just don't know how it will turn out yet.  But, I will not leave Astro here without me.

yakkity1 said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

What were the four requirements that Astro had to fulfill?

Jessica Hughey said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

He is thinking that you love the dog more than him. Guaranteed. When you married him you both were, in effect, agreeing to blend your lives, beliefs and feelings in a spirit of compromise. Make an effort to compromise with him. Sit down and have a chat with him. Show him you respect his feelings and that you expect him to respect yours, as well. You are both in this together, it doesn't have to be all black and white, do or die. You bend, he bends and everyone, including Astro, can be happy. That's what marriage is all about. Everyone: please stop accusing this man of dog abuse! Allowing the dog to stay in an attached, finished, INSULATED garage in inclement weather is hardly abuse! Sheesh...

 

jillibean said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

I may be late jumping in on this posting, but,

as an animal lover and grew up with a dog as part of the family, we went overseas for 2 years and flew our dog there also.

I had a controlling ex also.

Now have been with new love 20 yrs, it sometimes takes time to find out these likes and dislikes. or QUIRKS! All I can say is, if you let someone else dictate, your inner feelings will eat at you. (lived it) Life is short, if you are happier with Astro, stay with him. When you husband sees that you stick by your priciples, he may view you in a different way. If he cannot get over it, so be it. Funny thing, my men have always said, "dont tell me what to do'' or dont mother me" yet they do just that.

Unconditional animal love for me!! wow, he LETS dog in when storms come. NICE guy. (sorry, I ALWAYS feel for the helpless anmal)

SPIKEY58 said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Hi cow girl Every one has a good point of view here but i also married a most evil mentally destructive man ever and i will never know why i stayed with him . He to has some good points but the one thing about my dog is when i am on my death bed i know he will be the one thing in my life that i could have never replaced and on the other hand as far as my husband goes is if i had to live live life over Oh BOY would i do it different. For me and my dog.

magiemae said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Love me love my dog.  If he really loved you he would not ask you to get rid of the dog.    He is the one being unreasonable, not you.  Take the dog and go south by yourself or stay with the dog.  He sounds like a jealous controlling man.

Myke said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

I hate to say this but when you adopted that dog it was for better or worse, not until your husband decided that it was over. I do a lot of animal rescue work and hear all of the stories from people who turn in their animals and almost all of them are lame.

That dog is a living being that loves you and depends on you. The fact that you are keeping the animal outside when it follows your whereabouts in the house and lays as close to you as it can get is pitiful.

The one, constant thing in my life has been my animals. They give unconditional love and never ask for more than we are willing to give. You should NEVER have adopted that dog. Please contact a rescue in your area and ask for them to find the animal a new home if you cannot stand up to your husband about the welfare of this animal.

Dogs are pack animals. They belong with their human and not wandering around outside trying to get close to the one they love. Your husband is being controlling and childish, not jealous. He is abusive to you if his goal is to take away something that you love and that loves you.

Think about what I have said. I've counseled a lot of abused women and your hubby is a classic example of a man who piles on the emotional abuse to bolster his own deflated ego.

Stand by your dog or find him a better home. I'd opt for the better home but the choice is yours.

Sign me - someone who has lived with abuse and knows the value of a dog over a man

Dallas Lady said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

You married your husband for better/worse/richer/poorer blah blah blah.  But it sounds to me like you have issues that really supercede Astro coming around.

I love my pet too.  Very much.

Sorry but your husband really truly needs to compromise here.

And I wonder how you wound up in this position anyhow given his feelings on pets?  Seems like you got one and incorporated him into your lives without his support from the get go.

 

Which means it  sounds like your issues started way before you got this dog.............

KLE said to Dallas Lady 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

I could never leave my dog.  And wouldn't stay with someone who mistreated her. 

Dallas Lady said to KLE 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

I guess that vow that said "forsaking all others" applies to people but not animals?

 

Seriously people.  THis is why the institution of marraige is FUBAR if this how we prioritize.

 

I stand by my comment that this couple has bigger issues than Astro, and issues the PREDATE good ole Astro coming into the picture.

 

Sheesh.

Dallas Lady said to KLE 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Cowgirl never said anything about this dog being mistreated by her husband.

oftheflowers said to Dallas Lady 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Interesting observation.  Months before my ex asked for a divorce, I asked him if we could host a 10-year-old orphan girl from Bogota, Colombia.  He said, yes.  His mother was surprised that he said yes.  She said, can this  be good for your marriage?  I said, but he said, yes.  Dumb me.  It was a test.  As soon as the orphan girl was in our house, I fell in love and spent all my time taking care of my son and the little girl.  In retrospect, I should have focused time on my ex, but there we were.  Within weeks, he asked me for a divorce, with the little girl with nothing in the world in her name sleeping upstairs in our townhouse.

I guess I am saying, be careful of men who say "yes" to hosting an orphan when there were signs that he wasn't into growing the family with children or animals.

Perhaps you could focus on your husband, not talk about the dog at all, for several weeks.  Just give your husband lots of attention.  See what happens.

 

yakkity said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

This post brought to you by the letter "D," as in divorce and dog.

Your husband sounds like a cold, unfeeling bully and I wonder why you brought an innocent animal into this situation knowing how your husband feels. I'd be afraid he'd harm the dog. How can he be so heartless as to tell you to give away your pet?

I would find a new home for my dog, alright--with me in a loving little home just for the two of us.

MissCharly said to yakkity 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Be nice?!

pmc said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

I DONT know howlong ,or why you ve lived apart from your husband. ID say the both of you need help from a profeshinal.

ONE OR BOTH MAY NOT KNOW HOW TO COMPERMISE,OR SOMETHING YOU NEVER DREAMED OF.The best to you both,PMC

Dawna said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

I am a huge animal lover,so you know where I will be going with this. The reason people love animals is their love is unconditional. Astro never puts any demands on you or your time. You can leave him 10 times a day and he will always be happy to see you. If your husband cared about how you feel he would know that you would be so much happier down south is you could take your dog. If your happy he will be happy, it just makes sense. The dog will not crimp his life style as it sounds like you look after your dog and he does not help. I hope he comes around to your way of thinking. I live on a farm and have lots of pets and would truly be heartbroken if I had to give up my animals. Take care and I hope it all works out. Sadly I think you would miss Astro more than your husband. That's sends a powerful message.

cowgirl said to Dawna 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

I agree that this is much bigger than Astro.  It is about me feeling unloved and unimportant to my long time husband.  My marriage is very important to me, always has been or I wouldn't still be married.  I posted this to see if I was the one being unreasonable here.  I am continuing to work on this issue.  Thanks again for everyones input.

yakkity1 said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

I'd have second thoughts about leaving Astro with your daughter, too. Their putting Spot down during your absence doesn't sit well with me. Surely they could have put the dog in confinement until you returned. Does your daughter share her father's feelings about dog care?

My dog and I have never been separated in the six years he's owned me. I take him on every vacation and side-trip. If I were you, I'd stay home with Astro and take advantage of a season of "inside time" for him while your husband's gone.

suesan said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

A simple solution could be that you give your husband the power to decide - you and the dog go to TX or you don't. You promise to abide by his decision.  Done. 

cowgirl said to suesan 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Susan B.  That is a great way to handle this.  Tell him it is his decision and not mine.  thanks.  Meanwhile he is being very kind and loving.  Don't know if he has changed his mind or if he is just trying to change mine.  Time will tell.

oftheflowers said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Hmm.  I am wondering, he realizes that he wants the love and attention that your dog is getting from you.  Of course, a reasonable man would feel like an idiot once he realizes this and come around.  I say, give your husband lots of time and attention.  See what happens.

joycedav said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

No, you are not being unreasonable...Your husband is too controlling..Stay with your pet!

 

Lynnette said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

that is the only problem i do NOT have with my husband, we both love animals a lot.  He actually takes care of their every need.  iced water and all.  Once i make a commitment to an animal one of us has to die in order for me to break it.  My animals are my children, as a matter of fact we went to buy a car and my husband said to me... "sorry tomorrow i cannot pressure clean the patio, i have to grilled the chicken for the girls".  The girls are midnite and Annie, my two dogs.  He grills the chicken once a week and then mixes it with rice.  They also eat dry food once a day.  So if he were to tell me that i have to get rid of my dogs, that would be the end, but like Dallas says, there is something else wrong with this union, the dogs will be the last straw!

Lynnette said to Lynnette 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

let us know how this ends, very curious to know.

Myke said to Lynnette 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

I'll second that!

One thing I would never do, though, is bring an animal into a situation where it wasn't wanted. That animal and its well being is up to you. If you bring a living being into your life and you know that the person you are living with just doesn't like dogs or cats or rabbits or whatever - then volunteer at the shelter if you like to be near them but don't bring one home where it will be abused by your partner and don't think that hitting it is the only form of abuse.

My dogs are so sensitive that even a change in the tone of my voice can make them sad and wonder what they are doing wrong. Animals/pets are not toys and they are not disposable.

grammy 2 4 said to Myke 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

never once did this woman say he abused this animal, in fact just the oposite, he pets and talks with the pet, he's just not keen on traveling with him...that's not abuse...geeze....lighten up, talk about projecting.  He's not abusive!!!  He's like a lot of people about pets and at least he's more accepting than MOST.

Lynnette said to grammy 2 4 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

he is abusive if the demands that the dog be put in the garage, even in extreme cold weather, which for me would be 45 degrees and below.  Dogs like companionship from their master. 

yakkity1 said to grammy 2 4 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

grammy 2, cowgirl stated that her husband does not allow the dog in the house. That, in my opinion, is abusive not only to Astro, but to cowgirl as well. How can she enjoy the companionship of her pet if that connection is limited to outdoors and the occasional time spent in the garage. Astro wants to be in the house with his family.

I don't know where you live, but cowgirl's husband (cowboy?) is not "like a lot of people about pets" where I live. If, as you wrote, he's more accepting than MOST, then I'd hate to know how MOST treat their pets.

grammy 2 4 said to yakkity1 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

And if you go back you'll see she also said "it's warm out there, the walls are finished and everything".  He also cooks chicken and rice for her girls...her dogs. Unfortunately MOST dogs stay in a garage in the winter and when got mad dogs they NEVER stayed indoors.  Dogs have coats for their environment.  Other than "purse dogs" our creator created all animals to live in the WILD.  Dogs in a garage?  Really, WILD?  Nawwwww.....this dog is well treated, well loved, just not a wanted travel companion.  I wonder...what do yuou do with your other pets when you travel?  Me, I don't travel much...by car...in kennels with me...by any other means of transportation...they stay in a local kennel here where they each have their own rooms..except my kitties...they like to share a room.  Well run kennels are easy to find, and it socializes your animals.  Its' not a punishment...my animals RUN to their frond door when the GET to stay there...they love it and are VERY well taken care of.

grammy 2 4 said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

WOW!!!!  All of this hate coming over a dog v. man....odd how all of you posting her can point fingers at cowgirls husband for being "inhumaine" to her dog but have someone support adds for sexual stimulation for both male and females you come  unglued.

Cowgirl, I felt you trying to defend your husband against his decision to not liking to travel with an animal....how about sending the dog to your location on the new doggy airways.  That way, you both win...no need to travel with him and you still have your beloved pet when you get to your destination.  You will need someone at home to care for the pet until you reach your destination that will agree to get your pet to the airport.  Once there, you'll be ready to accept his arrival.

I also feel that when you adopt a pet it even more important than adopting a child.  That pet isn't one day going to go away to college or get married...they are yours for life and it is very important to consider everyone in the home the pet will be moving to...everyone needs to be on board and for every day of the pets life...not just when you are at your primary residence.  And if you travel frequently, you need to know the pet will fit in with your life style...choose the size of your pet accordingly.

grammy 2 4 said to grammy 2 4 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

btw...they have round trip tickets;)...

Lynnette said to grammy 2 4 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

now you know we love our dogs/pets... i actually think i love my dogs more than some of my niece's kids.  One in particular, her daughter, who is manipulative and disrespectful.  Thinks she is all that and she is only 8.  Imagine when this child is 16, GOD have mercy!  she is not even pretty.  Thank God otherwise we will have to move to another galaxy.

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yakkity1 said to grammy 2 4 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

"...odd how all of you posting her[sic]...for both males and females you come unglued."

Huh? I don't recall posting in such a manner on such a thread as you insist; actually, I've always responded favorably to women seeking sexual stimulation either via man or BoB, and I have read similar encouragement from other women present on this thread.

Frankly, I do have my "unglued" moments, but rarely when it comes to pro-healthy sexuality.

grammy 2 4 said to yakkity1 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

I'll tell you what yakkity1.  this will be my last post under you since you think everything I say is direct at you...sorry to disappoint...they are not..."Thanks to everyone for their responses.  He doesn't mistreat Astro, he just doesn't want to take him to Texas for the 2 or so months that we will be gone.  Otherwise, he pets him and talks to him etc."  This is an exact quote from cowgirl, copied and pasted here...since everything I write you want to argue please don't respond to me or below any of my posts.  I choose who I'd like to converse with...it's not you so politely I ask you also be polite and catch yourself before you post to me.  You want to point fingers and I have been very concious to be very careful not to do that to anyone.  I'd appreciate it if we just move on and you and I....STAY AWAY FROM EACH OTHER, obviously I bring out the worst in you for some reason.

 

I don't feel a man not traveling with an animal is grounds for divorce as someone above mentioned "Dog or divorce".  Please cowgirl...don't take it that far, that redicules.  And one thing no one has mentioned here besides some really good separate traveling arrangement....it is VERY expensive to travel by way of any public transportatin with a pet, perhaps it's also financial.

I agree with someone here, if my daughter murdered one of my animals, she wouldn't be my daughter any more...aged animal or not, that's the owners decision...like most say...animals are family to some, THAT'S INHUMAIN, kenneling them is not, sleeping in a finished off garage is not.  Not wanting to travel with them is not.  There is an alternative here somewhere...it just hasn't presented itself yet.

yakkity1 said to grammy 2 4 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Why are you so obsessed wiith me?

Enough!

Jessica Hughey said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Hi, cowgirl:

I, too, have a dog (Pomeranian) who is "my" dog and follows me everywhere, etc. I love her very much. Having said that, I'm kind of surprised at some of the comments encouraging you to abandon your husband, ignore his wishes and stay with the dog. I think the key, here, is compromise. Your husband has rights, too, just like Astro does. If your husband's only objection is "traveling" with the dog, perhaps you could work out a compromise where the two of you travel separately to your destination. You husband doesn't seem to have a problem living with the dog, only traveling with  him, correct? Perhaps, if you're driving, you could take separate cars. Marriage requires comromise, surely you know this or you would not have been married as long as you have. Your husband, I suspect, was raised in a home that did not include animals and/or his parents were not as attached to their animals as we seem to be, today. (Just a guess.) Also, allowing the dog to stay in the garage during storms and inclement weather is perfectly acceptable to me, especially since it is an attached garage and will absorb heat from the house if kept closed. This tells me that your husband is not completely against the dog. He does care about Astro to some extent or he is doing this to make you happy. Either way, it's probably a stretch for him, given his obvious indifference to pets. He is doing that for you. Try to find a compromise with your husband's wishes so that you, he and Astro can all enjoy your trip. I'd be willing to bet that if  your husband sees you are making an effort to respect his wishes, also, that he would be more likely to compromise with you, as well.

cowgirl said to Jessica Hughey 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

When I posted this question I did not intend to creat a firestorm.  I just wanted to make sure I wasn't being unreasonable.  Do I think sometimes he is controlling and selfish, yes at times.  But, I am sure if you talked with him you would get a list of complaints about me too.  I am not trying to condone or sugar coat this, but when you live with someone for nearly 39 years there are going to be some bumps in that relationship. 

He is kind to Astro and pets him.  He just wasn't raised with animals living in the house, unless it was the occassional calf or baby pig that needed to be brought in for a short time to warm up and get strong enough to return to its mother.  He doesn't want to travel with Astro because he thinks when we get to the Rio Grand Valley, where the weather is usually very nice but sometimes has a cool or wet spell that Astro would end up in our RV which is really small.  That is where he is coming from, along with a bit of jealousy thrown in. 

He is fine with having pets just not in the house.  When I adopted Astro I didn't know that he would need to be inside.  Our last dog was a hearty farm dog and wouldn't come in if he had the opportunity.  He loved being outside and helping with the farm work. He thought it was his job to clear the road any time we went anywhere on the farm.  He kept the wild critters at bay.  So when I got Astro he had to be a breed that was considered a farm type dog.  He is a border collie, australlian shepherd mix.  The dog needed to be an adult, and needed to be male and to be free.  I couldn't buy a dog.  Astro fit the bill perfectly except that he is not the same dog that Spot was.  Spot was happy no matter who was with and loved everybody.  Astro is friendly to everyone and loves people too, but it is very evident to everyone that I am his. 

I have decided much to my dismay that I will not have another pet if something should happen to Astro, and I think he will live a long healthy life.  Because I don't want to have this turmoil again.  Both my husband and my dog are very important to me and I love them both.  I am continuing to work on this problem. 

Thanks again for everyone's well meaning opinions.  I asked for it and I got it, and I do appreciate everyones point of view.  thanks again.  cowgirl  

 

Myke said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

The dog needed to be an adult, and needed to be male and to be free.  I couldn't buy a dog.  Astro fit the bill perfectly except that he is not the same dog that Spot was.

I am not going to make any friends with what I am about to say and I apologize in advance.

  • needed to be an adult. That smacks to me of not wanting to go to the expense of raising a puppy and giving it the care it needs to grow into an adult.
  • needed to be male. Most likely because you didn't want to go through the expense of a spay or neuter.
  • needed to be free. Another statement that smacks of just getting a dog like you would something free at a yard sale. Heck, why pay for it or raise it or give it veterinary care.

Spot was happy no matter who was with and loved everybody.

Yet he was put to sleep for a bad temper? Sounds to me like that dog lost his life for no other reason than a bad temperament call by someone.

Please, do this dog a favor and call the Border Collie Rescue closest to your area. Tell them that you have a wonderful, affectionate, bright, intelligent dog that needs a good home. After the home is found, never get a dog again. Then travel with your husband to his heart's content and yours.

Dogs are not just something that you toss into the yard and offer food and water once a day. They are living, breathing creatures that lavish unconditional - read UNCONDITIONAL - love on human beings. Unlike the conditional love your husband give to you and the conditional love you give to the dog.

I have done rescue for the past 25 years. I hear all the stories and I can read in between the lines very well. That dog of yours is nothing more than an accessory for your yard, nothing more and nothing less. The fact that he lays outside of your house near whatever room you happen to be in at the time just to be close to you is heartbreaking. If my dog did that and my husband didn't want him in the house I'd be in a motel in a heartbeat.

Now, I'm off my soapbox and going back into hiding accompanied by my two dogs and four cats - all rescues - all spayed and neutered - all inoculated - all sleeping in the house and some on my bed☺

Jessica Hughey said to Myke 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Wow, that's harsh. Just one question? How does the dog being male negate the expense of spaying or neutering? Or do you only spay females?? Astro being an outdoor dog, I would think, makes it even more necessary for him to be neutered, in case an in-heat female should wander into his yard or he should go "visiting" somehow (which un-neutered males are MORE apt to do). Being in rescue for 25 years, I'm sure you've seen your share of unwanted litters. So, I'm a little confused by your statement.

Myke said to Jessica Hughey 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

I meant that a lot of folks feel that if they take a male animal they do not have to neuter due to the fact that he can't bring home litters of pups.

buzzingbee said to Myke 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Also, since they wanted an adult, it was probably already neutered.

yakkity1 said to Myke 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

No need to go into hiding. I'm standing beside you, Myke; you are not alone.

Myke said to yakkity1 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Thank you very much. I am passionate about animal welfare. I worked in child protective services when I was practicing social work and have also volunteered for hospice so I guess looking out for the weak and helpless is my calling in life☺

cowgirl said to Myke 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Myke,

  The dog needed to be an adult because living on a farm, there is a lot of farm machinery around as well as vehicles coming and going.  He knew that I would be devastated if my dog got ran over.  Sure, he didn't want to go through that chewing everything up stage either.  He thinks there are lots of animals that people no longer can keep for whatever the reason that he didn't want to spend money on a particular breed.  As for the spaying and neutering question, we have spayed both males and females over the years.  This is not the first pet I have had during our marriage and we have taking care of them all.  Astro is treated monthly with Interceptor ( an expensive parasiticide, that is only available through a Vet) and Vectra for fleas and ticks, also only available via a Vet).  These are not cheap.  He also always has free choice dog food and fresh water.  I go on walks with him and he goes with us when we ride horses on the farm to check the cattle.  My daughters border collie also comes and they play together. 

  I can assure you he is not mistreated in anyway.  As for Spot, he wasn't put down because of a bad temper. He bit a child on the face,  Causing lacerations above and below his right eye.  We were just very lucky that he didn't lose his eyesight.  He still has scars on his face from that incident.  I was heartsick when that happened, but know just the same that you can't have a dog that is not safe around children.  If he bit once it is a possiblility he would do it again.  We know to expect that a guard dog or even many small dog breeds may bite.  A small dog that bites is not likely to cause a serious injury, but larger dogs do.  I kow very well the trauma of being bitten by a dog.  After the incident with Spot, I was attacked by a Rottweiler mix dog that was being walked by his owner in a campground without a leash.  When I say attacked that is exactly what I mean.  This large dog, totally unprovoked came around the end of our camper in a full charge growling viciously.  I thought, OMG this is how people get killed.  I brought my left arm up to protect my face and neck as he jumped on me.  He bit me on my arm right at my left elbow causing a deep puncture wound on top and a bruise on the bottom.  I had a large bruise on my chest above my left breast from one of his paws.  I was able to turn away from him and call for help and his owner got him off of me.  That is one of the most traumatic things that has happened to me.  I am a nurse, so I took care of the wound without going to the ER.  I requested the dogs shot records to make sure he was up to date on his rabies vaccine.  The owner promised me that he would always keep the dog tied up after that, so that he wouldn't have the opportunity to bite someone again.  I couldn't have him put his dog down because I was still hurting from losing Spot.  The owner kept in touch with me to see how I healed.  I had pain in that arm for 4 months after the bite.  The last time the owner talked with me he said that if I had gone to the ER that night for treatment that it would have been reported to the police and that the dog would have been taken away and euthanized and that he would have gone to jail.  I still pray that I did the right thing.  It would be terrible if he attacked someone else more frail than me.

Anni 1226 suggested that I pretend to have an illness and need the dog.  Sad thing is that I don't have to pretend.  My health is tenuous at best and I have been on disability and unable to work for the past 9 years.  What that means is that I have good days and bad days and have a very limited income.  Our farm makes some profit some of the time, but not always.  So we do have to watch our money and spend it wisely.  That being said our cattle, horses and yes even Astro gets the vet care and medications they need.   The poor health was another reason he didn't want me to have a puppy as he didn't know if I could take care of the needs of a pup.

I know that you have seen a lot of bad things that have happened to animals in your rescue work.  I know that in the 30 plus years I worked as a nurse I saw a lot of the same types of abuse or worse to women and children.  I know that that colors your point of view.  But, you are not reading what you think between the lines here.  Astro is not a yard ornament and gets a lot of attention.

I think Astro lays nearby so that he knows I am safe.  I also know that he wouldn't be happy in the house all the time even if if were ok with Tommy.  Just as Spot was miserable when he went to stay with my son (his owner) who now lives in a small town. He was a farm dog and was so glad to get back to the farm and outside where he didn't have to be confined to a small yard.  There is just a difference between farm dogs and city dogs.  I am going to do all I can to keep my Astro.  I do love him, he does love me but, my husband does too. P.S Astro has been neutered and is eating now the best he ever has.  He was very finicky and wouldn't eat well when I first got him.  I called his previous owner as well as his Vet and was told that he was just a pickly eater and had been since he was a pup. They said not to worry that when he was hungry he would eat.  That wasn't good enough for me and after trying many different brands of dog food I have finally found one that he likes.  Gee I even cook for him sometimes.  So, Please hear me.  Astro is not abused. 

 

yakkity1 said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

The meds are definitely expensive. I order my dog's topicals from Drs. Foster and Smith, their prices are lower than the veterinarian's, and delivery is free. They will call your vet and request a prescription for Astro, give them a call and explore that option.

Drs. Foster & Smith

 

yakkity1 said to yakkity1 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

P.S. Does Astro know how popular he is? He's got his very own fan club here on VN. Please post a picture of him.

cowgirl said to yakkity1 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

I have put a picture of Astro on my profile as requested.  I do know that everyone of you would love him as he is a super dog and has not been mistreated todate.

yakkity1 said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Astro is a very handsome gentleman. Here's a hug from my dog to yours. (((Astro)))

grammy 2 4 said to Myke 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

I can not believe the moderator is not jumping on this.  Why would you attack a woman who just said I love my husband and I love my dog...her husband didn't kill spot her daughter did yet you still attack the husband for a valid request of no travel companion dogs.

And in your POWER to read between the lines...you missed the line where she said SHE LOVES HER DOG AND HER HUSBAND AND SHE WANTED SOME IDEAS.  You must also be the moderator...it's ok for you to REALLY SLAM this woman who you have never met and because it also involves slamming her man you are not chastized...well guess what I think you need to apoligize to cowgirl and her husband.  your rescue experience is very worthy and it takes a special person to work constantly with abused animals...for that I commend you but not traveling with a pet is not abuse in anyway and you or no one else will convince me of that...there are loveing, caring people who make it their way of life to care and love your animals while you are not able to, in the hospital, on a trip, dying until a new suitable home can be found.  So that soap box of yours is needed I'm sure in many instances, in this one...I think you've gone way tooo far.

sister60 said to grammy 2 4 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Me too

Jessica Hughey said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

I am very sorry you are going through this. I can tell you love your husband and want to do what's fair and just for everyone involved. It's a difficult situation, to say the least. However, it still sounds to me like your husband is already compromising with you by just agreeing to have the dog in the first place, when he'd rather not. I still think you should do the same. How interesting that your original question began with, "I need UNBIASED opinions." :) Hang in there, cowgirl. Hope everything works out ok, for all involved. In the end, this should be a decision between you and your husband, as you will not get any "unbiased" opinions from animal activists. They are a very vocal bunch! I think people these days tend to project a lot of human emotion onto their pets and some even think that if you don't treat your pet as well as you would your child (better even!) that you are an awful dog abuser. One more tip: if MY husband did what yours is doing, he would NOT hear the end of it during the entire trip! "I hope Astro's ok." "I'm worried about Astro." "Wonder what Astro's doing right now." (wink, wink) Good luck!

Judith Balfe said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

No, you are absolutely not being unreasonable.  Your dog probably cares more about you than your husband does, because the human in your life is asking you to give up something you love.  Is he jealous?  Don't laugh, I had a husband who gave my beloved cat away to a family passing through our town on their way south.  He was also jealous of my son.

When we were dating,  my present husband informed me that he couldn't stand cats, and I told him that we could still be friends, but I needed to have cats in my life and my home.  Twenty five years later, he loves our second set of cats just as much as I do.  He loved me more than he didn't like cats!

The dog may outlast your husband!  Stay home with the dog!

 

anni1226 said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Hi Cowgirl, it sounds like your husband is harboring some sort of reason for not wanting to be around dogs. Probably a childhood experience, but carried over into his adulthood. The thing to ask yourself is "How is our relationship in general?". In other words, do you fight regularly about different things, or is the dog argument your main issue? And, what is the true root of his jealousy?

The factors to consider would be: 1) Do you still love him? 2) How would you feel if you didn't have him anymore (for any reason)? 3) Do you think that staying home with the dog would end your relationship, and would it be worth it to you?

If all else fails tell him that you have a health condition that would deteriorate without the companionship of the dog, then get a fake doctor's note. The less our husbands know, the better!!!!LOL

southrailway said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Both you and your husband share a belief that dogs belong outside.  This works for working breeds, which you assumed Astro was.  But he was raised to be a companion animal, cuddling with his owner.  This is not the dog for you (or conversely your family is not the right one for Astro). I suspect at this time in your life you also would welcome a little more cuddling (Astro could be the answer) but it will require a MAJOR compromise on the part of your husband and even an atitude adjustment on your part.  You are about to have your much deserved and needed winter get-a-way.  Be brave and loving, find a home for Astro where he is at least welcome to lie on the rug next to his family's feet.

Donnarene said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Pick your husband. Board out the dog if you choose. Once your husband dies you will have many years for the dog or a wholebunch of dogs.  Be real you will be a widow and get a pension from the man vs the dog and he talks/DK

Aurelia said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

We have been married for exactly ten years (we are both 62).  When we married, my husband accepted my two dogs and one cat (he wasn't sure about the cat, but when he realized it had been my mother's cat, he realized he couldn't make me give up the cat).  When the dogs and, later, the cat died at advanced ages, we acquired 2 7-week old Lab puppies which he brought home unexpectedly (we were remodelling his parents' house at the time while we lived in it).  We agreed at that time to just have two dogs.  Wellllllllllll......one day I found a Border Collie/Spaniel puppy wandering in an area where dogs are often dumped.  I brought her home.  She instantly became attached to me and to the Labs who became her brothers.  Ross was very angry because we had AGREED to have only two dogs.  I felt like I was telling him that I was pregnant for the third time when we had AGREED to have only two children.  It was a stand-off for several weeks.  At the worse point I found myself driving to work crying and thinking, "I'll just get an apartment and take Penny with me!"  I didn't get an apartment.  Penny is four years old now.  She is part of our family.  I did have to compromise about inside/outside dogs.  I grew up with inside dogs and lots of dog hair.  We live in a small manufactured home.  The three dogs have a kennel area as big as some peoples' backyards.  There are four dog houses there which we stuff with straw in winter.  Since we live in the woods they all have plenty of birds, squirrels, deer, foxes, and other wildlife to look at and bark at.  When I bring them inside the house they soon are bored and want to go outside and back to their kennel area.  They both get plenty of food, water, and attention from us.They go on long walks and swims in a nearby lake.  During duck hunting season, the Labs are duck dogs while Penny stays with me.  It is a happy dog pack, but it didn't look good for awhile.  Even now, Ross will remark, "It's a good thing Penny is a good dog, or you'd really be in trouble!"

Cheryl384 said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Stay with the dog! lol... No but really your husband sounds very controlling and that isn't very good in a relationship. Maybe it would be interest to stand up to him and see what happens, if he truly loves you he shouldn't give you ultimations like that.

sister60 said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Wow, I just read the posts, some are pretty harsh.  Astro is a herding animal.  He was bred to run and herd sheep.  I know people treat their animals like people now days, but they are not.  Astro is a working dog, companion and protector. He loves you and you love him but, will he be happy in Texas?  Does he have lots of room to run?  Talk to your local vet and see if there is someone else that lives on a farm that can take Astro in for a couple of months.  Dogs love to be with other dogs.  If Astro could spend two months with other dogs, herding, hunting and doing what comes natural to him, he'll be happy.  As well as happy to see you when you get home.

I only have one dog now, my Hanna, she's a petite Goldendoodle.  Definitely an inside dog.  But I do live on a farm, and have had many outside dogs. When they passed away (from old age) I had to remember they never had a day without love, they never knew hunger, and they spent their days, hunting, swimming, protecting their people.  They liked rolling in dead things, I sure didn't want them in the house. HA!  Your husband isn't a bad man (a little controlling maybe, like most men) He probably just doesn't want tick, fleas, and dog hair all over the house.  I'll bet your Astro is very happy and devoted to you and your husband.  Best of Luck

VRich said to sister60 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Very sensible answer.  I agree.

grammy 2 4 said to VRich 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

MEEE TOOOO!!!!!!

cowgirl said to sister60 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

sister60,  I want to thank you for not thinking I am abusing Astro.  I have decided I should never have posted this question in the first place.  And by the way I did not give it the title "Should I move with my husband or stay with my dog".  I know that title sensationalizes it more and grabs attention, and it has gotten a lot of attention.  I was trying to reduce the stress I was feeling and all I have done is generate more.   We live aways out in the country.  It is a mile down our private lane to even get to a gravel road that goes out to the highway.  My friends ( and I do have many) were either on cruises, traveling south on their way to warmer weather or having health problems and I didn't want to burden them more.  That was why I threw this out there.

The good thing about the internet is that you instantly can reach thousands of people and communicate with them.  The bad thing is that you cannot read a persons tone of voice, facial expressions and body language when you read a post.  That makes it really hard to know sometimes how a statement was met.  I have tried to take all the comments positively and think that everyone has Astros best interest in mind.  It is hard though not to feel like I have been attacked and do not deserve to have a dog or any pet for that matter.  I am not angry with anyone, and again want to thank everyone for their input, as hurtful as some of it has been.

I feel I need to say also that when I came into our marriage at the young age of 18 I came with my pekingnese/chihuahua mix with me.  She lived in the house and slept in our bed until at the ripe old age of 16 I had her put down because she had arthritis so bad and her joints had disintegrated to the point that movement was painful for her and she was blind.  I guess some will think that was bad of me too.  I thought I was doing the best for Friskey so she wouldn't suffer any longer.  I did that out of love.

southrailway said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

I think some responders were less than fair or kind.  We do not know you or your situation fully.  I am glad you are resolved to keep your dog.  I hope he can be welcome into your home for brief visits (as much for you as him). Recently, I went away to family reunion and a friend came into my house to care for my dog. Fritz.  My special guy friend eagerly picked me up from the airport.  I was happy (and excited) to see him.  When we walked into my house, my dog went bezerk with joy for at least 15 minutes.  After spending special time with my guy, I was surprised to find that I could not wait for him to leave so I could cuddle in bed for the night with my boy.  My former husband was jealous of the dog we owned then.  It is hard to compete with the unconitional affection and love that a companion animal offers.  Since you are not well, find a much time as you can to be near your beloved Astro. The comfort is so healing.  All the best to you on your journey.

Aurelia said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

When you love animals you have to have their best interests at heart.  Sometimes you must make tough decisions.  The decision to put down an ill, old dog was yours to make.  It was a good decision.I am so sorry that all of this has gotten out of hand.

Aurelia said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

When you love animals you have to have their best interests at heart.  Sometimes you must make tough decisions.  The decision to put down an ill, old dog was yours to make.  It was a good decision.I am so sorry that all of this has gotten out of hand.

oftheflowers said to sister60 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

My brother in Tucson has a mixed breed dog, part Australian sheep dog and other herding breed.  When he takes the dog to walk with me during one of my visits, the dog runs behind and alongside of us and barks the entire way.   My brother explained, he is herding us.  Just a note about the breed.

vv said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Dear Cowgirl. I sympathize with you. I've lived most of my life listening to what others wanted me to do.  One day I realized, my beliefs and needs, and wants, was just as important as anyone elses. I needed to take care of my heart; I had feelings too.  As for Astro, HE IS YOUR BABY!  If you take Astro, your husband may pout or throw cross words around. That is a form of manipulation. Don't let anyone do that to you. If your heart tells you to take Astro, take him. Another thing I consider important is the existance of all animals. Dogs are incredible for detecting various smells, and they feel who loves them. I see your husband treating you like a little girl who needs direction...his direction.  If you decide to take Astro, I'd let your husband know right away. "Sweetheart, I made up MY MIND to take Astro with ME." Smile, and don't argue at all with him. Your word is final.  If he wants to keep muttering stressful words at you...again...don't argue. " Argueing makes everything worse and makes you seem like you're not sure of yourself.  Marriage is hard. But I believe women deserve to make their own happiness too.  I mean, you could have an antaconda as a pet...he needs to count his blessings. :))

cowgirl said to vv 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Thanks vv.  I so appreciate your comments and do intend to take Astro with me, or we can all stay home.  Winter won't be nearly as nice and I will miss seeing great friends but I am determined to be with Astro and Tommy one way or another.  Thanks again.

pennylane100 said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

I definetely think that is the right decision.   But one thing puzzles me,  why do you need your husbands approval to bring a dog into your house.   Marriage is an equal partnership and you do not need a partners approval if you want a pet.   It would be different if he was allergic to animals you or  if you wanted him to take care of it, but all you want is a pet in your house.   I think your husband needs to understand that it is your dog and you will take him wherever you want.   If he chooses not to go with you and the dog on this trip, that is his right, but it is a choice that he has made and he needs to understand that.

 

Good luck, I know you are doing the right thing. 

Myke said to pennylane100 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

But one thing puzzles me,  why do you need your husbands approval to bring a dog into your house.

This is a controlling behavior that a lot of men and women use in a relationship. And controlling another person via words or actions IS abusive.

sister60 said to Myke 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Marriage is full of gives and takes.  Compromising becomes a fine art.  We all have issues we decide aren't that important and let it go, then we all also have issues where we take a stand. Most of the time a couple tries to agree on what's important and what's not important.  We all would like to have our own way all the time, but that only happens if a person is single and lives alone, then they don't have to be considerate of the other persons feelings.

Judith Balfe said to pennylane100 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Exactly!!  Isn't it your home, too?   Maybe Astro isn't abused, but what your husband is doing to you sounds abusive.  My husband and I make decisions together, and sometimes, even if we don't completely agree, a decision will be made according to the intesity of feelings.  If a decision will truly hurt one party, then the other generally gives in.  It works on both sides, and given that we had a combination of eleven children when we married, I think we did well.  I don't want to control, but I'll be darned if, as a grown woman, I will allow myself to be controlled.

grammy 2 4 said to Judith Balfe 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

It appears no one reads what the original poster said over and over and over and over again....her husband is not abusive to her or the dog period end of discussion.   You want to discuss something with cowgirl make it constructive solutions to your plight...downing her husband???? who here knows this man other than cowgirl??  I thought so...maybe we all need to go back up this thread and read ONLY what cowgirl has to say but this time...DON'T read between the lines, read HER words...the words in between are your and your projection of this situation which in itself is really quite mild...it's the OPINIONS of others that caused this thread to go toxic, not cowgirl or her husband...they are ok.

Myke said to grammy 2 4 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

If not abusive - controlling.

  • no dog in house no matter how bad the weather
  • give dog away or put him someplace else when we go south
  • no compromise whatsoever - his way or else

I don't see the situation as mild. First, the husband is controlling and is childish. He thinks he is competing with the dog for affection. Second, the dog is a live and a responsibility. This woman refuses to place him in another home or into a rescue organization so he will be safe and well cared for the rest of his life. Currently, what the heck - bad weather? Maybe he can go in the garage. Whop-dee-do, how compassionate.

The dog never, ever should have been adopted.

Constructive solution that I've suggested BEFORE TO HER:

Please the dog with a border collie rescue and never get another dog because you can't adequately care for this one.

She knew her husband's ideas about animals before she got the dog yet she still brought it home. The poor animal walks around on the outside of the house and lays by the window to whatever room she happens to be in at the time. That is pitiful. She knew they went south every winter and yet she brought this dog into their lives. She fears leaving this dog with her daughter because the last time she did that with an animal it was put down without her consent or even having the opportunity to save it's life.

She needs to find another GOOD home for this pet and give her husband all the attention that he believes he needs.

So, there is good advice but she wants to keep the dog and she wants her husband to let her do what she wants (don't know why she needs his permission) and she won't budge.

End of discussion.

 

sister60 said to Myke 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Hi Myke, I think you need to re-read the post and cowgirls responses.  I'm not sure if you are understanding what she asked in the first place. I don't know why the moderator hasn't corrected you, but you are really on a soap box.  Cowgirl and her husband don't abuse their "working dog" Astro (his breed is in the working dog class). Her husband just doesn't want to travel with a panting, stinking dog in the backseat in the dead of winter.  End of Story.

grammy 2 4 said to Myke 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

And after 39 years of marriage cowgirl knew about the travel situation, this is not the first dog they have had and how people take care of their pets who are taken care of and loved...as Astro by both Cowgirl and cowboy..why can't you just get it through your head that people love pets in differen ways and have differen rules in their homes which is none of your business.. IF THIS DOG WAS ABUSED THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT STORY. 

 

When someone writes in here that their man, child, neighbor, cousin...who the heck cares, is abusing an animal...climb back up on your soap box, that's when your passion will make sense...to tell anyone they do not deserve to have a dog they love is more abusive than what her original question was. 

 

You know sometimes apoligies are necessary, in this case cowgirl deserves on from you.  You turned a very painful situation for her into something ugly and without reason.  Please read her post's again...all of them, just from her, stop hearing your words, then apologize.  I got slammed for not responding to a post with respect.  I re-read my post and it did sound disrespectful so I apologized...please, be an adult and admit you are totally off base here.

grammy 2 4 said to grammy 2 4 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

BTW, when someone asks for an unbiased opinion about animals...it might be appropriate for you to refrain from joining that thread....you certainly are not unbiased regarding animals.  That's ok, in fact that's great...but find the abused animals to help...they truly need you more than cowgirl or Astro.

pennylane100 said to grammy 2 4 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Sorry but you are wrong when  you say it is none of Myke's business.   When you post a problem you are trying to work through on this type of forum you are asking for input and whether you agree with it or not is beside the point.   However, it is posted for input and therefore IS THE BUSINESS of all the readers who choose to reply.

Beth - VN Staff said to Myke 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Myke,

While this may be an issue you feel passionate about, you must remain with in our guidelines.

Thanks

Myke said to Beth - VN Staff 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Please post publicly which guideline I abused and explain. I am confused.

Beth - VN Staff said to Myke 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

I linked to the guideline you abused above. Please see this one as well. If you need further explanation, I'd be glad to speak with you about it by phone (502)568-5555 or email beth@vibrantnation.com.

Thanks.

Jessica Hughey said to Myke 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Why do you and everyone else keep insisting that this woman "needs her husband's permission"??? Haven't any of you ever heard the word COMPROMISE? Do you not think her husband's position is of any worth or validity at all?? What you are asking her to do is EXACTLY what YOU say her husband is doing to her! "My way or the highway." I just don't understand. And, Myke, I believe you are being overzealous and obsessive, not to mention terribly unfair to cowgirl and oblivious to what it means to be married. Rescues aren't the be-all and end-all. Would you advocate this dog living with who knows how many well-meaning "foster families", being shuffled around from one home to another, competing with countless other "rescues" for attention and food, or - worse - living in a cage in some cold, cement shelter, instead of being near his lady love, albeit from afar?? The garage is finished AND heated. That has been said countless times before but you choose to ignore it. Oh, and by the way: not that you'd ever acknowledge this FACT BUT all "rescues" don't have such a happy ending as you've described, i.e. "a happy, loving home" for the dog. Lighten up on this poor woman, please.

Pardon me for intruding...  I've read all the posts and posts to posts thus far down the page, and I am surprised at all the yeas and nays, and the reasons behind them.  I had lived with a complete control freak for 16 years, until I was strong enough to leave.  We had pets in the house because he brought them home, but when they came to me as the mom, he would get jealous and angry.  We took our dog and cat on our RV every time we camped, traveled, or whatever.  We even lived in the RV for 11 months, with the dog and cat and a teenage daughter.  That was not easy, but doable.  I say if you love your husband and he loves you, then talk about it and together make a list of pros and cons as to take or not to take Astro.  I love animals like my own children, however, there is a fine line.  Talk about it and make your decision together!

Now, for Pennylane...  I truly commend you on your comment that marriage is an equal partnership, my current husband and I are an equal partnership and neither of us would bring a pet into our home without talking to each other first.  It isn't a matter of asking for approval, it is out of respect for each other.  If I were to bring home a pet without talking to 'R' about it and getting his input on the matter, then I would be guilty of being rude and disrespectful... my top two pet peeves, btw.   Afterall, 'R' lives here too, and has every right to help make a decision as I do.  Through talking, and giving all the reasons why I would like a pet (or whatever), he usually says go ahead.  If his reasons are stronger against, that doesn't make him controlling, it makes me love him more, for being considerate enough to talk to me about it.  Equal Partnership isn't about doing your own thing, while he is doing his own thing, and hoping it works out in the middle.  This reminds me of an episode of "The Flintstones"  You all remember them, right?  Fred and Wilma had agreed to never spend more than half of what was in the bank at any given time without talking to the other one.  Well, one day they each spent the whole amount of what was there without talking to each other, figuring on talking to them later that evening.  Talk about a big problem with the bank!  Yabba Dabba Do!

Equal seems to mean something different to each of us.   You said you lived with a control freak for 16 years, that we both agree was not an equal partnership and now you live with someone who I am glad makes you happier but you still feel the need to gain agreement with  before  making any non life changing decisions, such as bringing home a pet.   If he does the same and it works for you then that is great.   Not everyone, however, can live under such confines.   I have brought home four cats and a dog without asking my husband and he has brought home one cat.   Granted we had both looked at the cat, who was up for adoption, earlier in the day.  I was not sure and wanted to wait but he went back and got it later in the day because he knew that was the cat he wanted.   Neither one of us had any problems with the other persons decisions.   That is my idea of equal and while it may not be yours, I do not feel the need to lecture you on how you live your life.

yakkity1 said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Good for you, cowgirl. I think you reached a sound decision, and I hope it works out to everyone's satisfaction (yes, yours too, Astro).

fayetteSIPP said to yakkity1 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Thanks for your courteous response

Lynnette said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

we love our animals, don't we?  This conversation has grown to be as heated as the Obama "liar" story.  GOOD FOR US, for being so loving to animals.   The world needs more of us.  Now we need to put our heads together how to stop people from breeding animals for sale, how to get free spaying for the ones nobody wants and how to fine heavily those people that feel is perfectly OK to abandon an animal in an industrial area to fend for itself.  Some of them wait for days for their master to come back.  There has to be laws to prevent all of the above and it starts with spaying from infancy. 

Aurelia said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Here is my true story.  Penny is a border collie/spaniel mix.  She looks a lot like Astro.  I found her as a 4 month old pup in an area of my very small mountain town where people often dump pets.  When my husband and I married, I brought 2 dogs and a cat into the household. Much later when  2 of the animals had died natural deaths, Ross brought home unexpectedly 2 seven week old Lab pups.  I accepted them whole-heartedly.  We still had my older dog, Rosie.  When Rosie died we agreed to have only 2 pets.  When I brought Penny home, Ross freaked out.  We had agreed, after all.  When we discussed it, Ross acted like I had told him I was pregnant for the third time when we had agreed to have 2 children.  He was clear that we should find a good home for Penny.  I felt that Penny already had a good home.  This stand-off went on and on.  At one point, when I left for work, I was crying and thinking to myself that I would find an apartment and take Penny with me (Penny was very attached to me from the beginning).  Part of Ross' problem was that he was thinking of giving me a small, inside dog (a yorkie or Maltese--something like that).  I made it clear that as much as I love small dogs I didn't want one here in the mountains where eagles, mountain lions, and bobcats abound.  The end result is that Penny has lived here with her brothers the two Labs, for over 4 years.  Ross says that she is a good dog and she adores him.  A big part of this is compromise.  All three are outside dogs.  They have a kennel area as big as some backyards.  They are well-taken care of.  The Labs are duck dogs in winter.  I prefer inside dogs myself.  However, when they are inside our small manufactured home it is like 3 elephants in a china closet.  They like it for a few minutes.  They soon want out and will head straight for their kennels.  If Penny is inside she soon begs to return to her kennels and her brothers.  The same is true of the brothers.  I agree with my husband that they should not go on trips with us (that would be too much in my Suburu or his big Ford truck).  I would kennel them at great expense myself (I did this many times when I was single).  Ross prefers to have our neighbor take care of them.  The neighbors we have can be trusted with OUR lives, not just the dogs' lives.  They are happier at home than they would be on a trip or in a boarding facility.  I understand that you don't have this option.  Being gone for the whole winter is different than a 2 week trip.  I hope you can take Astro with you, but I understand your husband's reluctance to do so.

fayetteSIPP said to Aurelia 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Enjoyed your story,

fayetteSIPP said to fayetteSIPP 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

I enjoyed your story.

The Flashionista said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

This is heartbreaking!  I am very attached to my dog and would NEVER agree to give him up.  He's family.  Luckily my significant other is crazy about Cowboy too and would never ask such a thing.  I think this is an indication of a power play in your relationship.  I hope you make the right decision. If you can swing it, keep the dog, it sounds like he is a better more trusted companion.  But if you can't, PLEASE find the dog a good home.  Hand pick the home.  Don't just hand him over to a shelter or give him to someone you don't know.  And if you stay with this man, don't get another dog. 

I hope you let me know what you decide.

fayetteSIPP said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

I have made a post to allow people to tell about The  great and not so great dogs in their lives, I've had many and only a few not so great..Dogs are awesome and wonderful pets and faithful , loving and fun ...but they are dogs and come into our lives I believe for lessons to learn .I had a dachshund given to me and the funny thing about this dog is it is so much like me in personalty, and exactly my skin tone color her name is Ginger and she is a wonderful dog whom we allowed to have  puppies by my daughters dog Chico, they made beautiful puppies, which were given out to close family members and I kept the last one in the litter whom I "kind of step on slightly, because she came last and we did not know it and she had crawled into the hallway...so I kept her in case anything was wrong with her , she would be my responsibility....nothing is wrong except she is spoiled and beautiful , she looks like she wears make up,

I was shocked at some of the comments on this thread , and it has take me a few days to let it sink in.

My very first puppy after I got married  became a problem for my husband and AI will write that story on my Thread of Great and not so Great Dogs that I have owned.. I love my dogs but I love my husband more if i could leave my mother to go to Alabama to marry this man a dog does not stand a chance over him, and we have loved and cared for over 15 dogs in our 40 year marriage, have two out back and a stray that he called skinny and has feed her , now we have to either take her to a shelter or make her ours, and my "two girls" Ginger and GinChica ( named after her mother and father) ... My advice to you is after 39 years , You know how to get your way with your husband and do the best thing for your dog...so do what you know how to do and handle your business, Your husband so not want to think he has to compete with a dog for your love , so maybe you have not be giving him his attention as Dallas says they are "little boys'. this not as big as issue as some want to make it. Have a good trip ......

cowgirl said to fayetteSIPP 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Thanks again for everyone's input.  I again apologize for posting this problem.  For sure will not ask for advice again.  My husband and I had a very good discussion last night and he agreed to work on issues that he says he was not aware that he was doing.  Still haven't come to a decision on Astro, but we did discuss it.  I most likely will not post anymore but will continue to read anyone's comments and do appreciate the well intentioned advice.  I just do not want to be responsible for anymore ill and hurt feelings as I feel that there is enough of those to go around without causing more.  thanks for caring.

fayetteSIPP said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Thanks I wish you would not feel this way, but i understand I felt bad after the Obama thread went wild...but my intention was not to cause strife but to find something positive, I have? and is it Necessary?

MissCharly said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Sadly, a person who doesn't love animals can't understand what a source of unconditional love they are. We have 5 dogs, two in the house - Man has his old "Buster", aka Papa (to 3 of the others) and I have my funny little "BG" (Buster's Girl).

Buster's inside because he's pretty arthritic, and he's been the best friend in the world.

It's hard to say "go with the husband" - when it feels like he should be giving a little in the "compromise" department, to show you a kind of love that would go a long, long way...

You are not being unreasonable, I don't believe, but are you willing to risk this all blowing out of proportion? Maybe after 39 years, the marriage could weather a little refreshing storm?

(Is it possible a "healing" separation is needed for renewal? I don't know your "Christian" view, but a help for an open minded person could be viewing of "Fireproof" and a 40-day study of "Love Dare" by Alex Kendrick...)

Good luch - (and God Bless)

 

MissCharly said to MissCharly 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Addendum after reading all the "firestorm" -

Sweetie, either get another dog for company for Astro, find a compromise with your husband (your own work-room space?), or let Astro go somewhere he will have company?

A dog truly can die of loneliness, and it is obvious that Astro is a loving - but lonely - because he "lays outside" of where you are.

What a sad story... but what does Astro need? Is he OK with staying outside while missing you, who is NOT outside?

And, I'm sorry your poor husband is getting such a rough treatment here.

Take care... and Hugs to all three of you.

 

byansi said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Well cowgirl I would go  with the one that treat me the best.

joycedav said to byansi 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Well said! Amen to that!!!!!!!

joycedav said to byansi 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

Well said! Amen to that!!!!!!!

fun@fifty said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

I have 2 large dogs that I love very much.  I love my husband more, though and would never let him think that I loved my dogs more than I loved him.  Nor would I ever contemplate NOT going with him on a trip, just to stay home with my dogs.  My youngest dog is like your Astro and is very attached to me, but he seems to survive when I have someone else take care of him while we are gone.  Have you thought about the message that you are sending to your husband by even thinking about not going south with him?  I do not think he is being unreasonable in asking you to find someone to care for the dog while you were gone.  That is what I do.  I agree with you in that you should not have to get rid of the dog, because I wouldn't either.  But, I would never give up my time with my husband to spend it with my dog; no matter how much my dog loves me...

Angel Grace said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

I am an animal lover so I would have a very strong urge not to go south.  Another thing I don't like and wonder about where people's hearts are who have no compassion for animals.  The animals are so kind and considerate and love you when no one else will.  My ex-husband was like that with animals when he was in his middle age and caused a lot of problems for me.  I have also seen him beat his horses so there is no wonder he is an EX.  I hear he has a lap dog now.  He may have changed but I know how cruel he was to the animals and abusive he was to me. Sorry my animals are first.  Animals are God's creatures just like we are!

Oceana55 said to cowgirl 10/26/2009, 06:01PM new!

It sounds like your husband has some serious control issues to say nothing of being incredibly insecure to feel threatened by the presence of a pet.  But it sounds like he just doesn't particularly like animals either.  I can't imagine not living with animals, cats in my case.  Fortunately I live alone.  Um, well okay, not alone, but without a man telling me who or what I can have for a friend.  Stand by your dog.  He'll give you a lot less grief and love you unconditionally. 

What's the difference between a man and a dog?  The dog stops whining when you let it in the house.

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